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To ask you all how much you get paid?

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UnderWorkedOverPaid · 20/02/2011 11:36

Name-Change if you want to - I have. AIBU to be curious what other people earn?

I am a nurse. Qualified 6 years. Work 30 hours a week.

I earn about 25k (with unsocial hours etc added in)

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ssd · 26/02/2011 08:49

mrsgetonwithit, agree

time is more important than money, its the one thing we can't buy, or get back

rainbowinthesky · 26/02/2011 10:33

I really liked what I think it was Violethill said on another thread when someone said you dont lie on your death bed wishin you'd spent more time in the office. SHe talked about by working in a job she loved that she had a rich tapestry of life to look back on.
It's great for those of us who have total fulfillment through their children but I get a huge amount of fulfullment through all the different aspects of my life and work is a big part of that.

working9while5 · 26/02/2011 11:04

Grades aren't everything. I have an immaculate academic history - all A's, two first class honours degrees, distinction in post-grad etc.

I find academia very fulfilling but it is not very well paid. I took care with my career to shape it so that I could pursue academia alongside a clinical career which would have flexibility. I worked my arse off to obtain a Band 7 clinical post within 5 years of starting work but in the end of the day, my take home pay is £14,400 for a 2.5 term time only post NOW because I am pursuing study and have taken term time only to allow me to travel home with my son and ensure he knows his grandparents while they are still alive.

One day, I feel I will have money.. I have eggs in many baskets, ideas and schemes to develop etc. For now, though, it's more important to keep juggling the eggs and maintain my "safe" public sector job alongside leaving time for study, development of a private career and spending time with my young son.

The race is long, and in the end it's only with yourself.

BrandyAlexander · 26/02/2011 11:44

Some people on MN can be quite judgmental about high earners that are women with some interesting assumptions about the kind of parent they are, the quality of the relationship with their children and what their children must be like.

I work 40 hours a week but am only in the office 3 days a week. I earn more than £500k less than £1m. I dont find that what I earn and the number of hours I work is incompatible with spending quality time with my family because that is my priority and so I find creative ways to make my job work so that I work to live rather than live to work.

mamatomany · 26/02/2011 11:49

I find when a stay at home mum I spend more time cleaning, tidying, cooking etc than when I work and we eat out three times a week, have a cleaner and i'll thrown clothes away when they are too dirty rather than try and scrub them clean when I'm broke.

Georgimama · 26/02/2011 11:57

Is it a good thing to spend more time cleaning, cooking and tidying though? I'm not sure that children actually care about those things. They certainly aren't grateful for them.

Xenia · 26/02/2011 11:57

Well it soothes the feelings of the low paid (those who are riddled with envy - plenty arenn't) to think very high paid mothers somehow don't have good relationships with their children. Yet if you earn the minimum wage in an hour then you are freed to balance your life in a way those with very little money sometimes find harder.

I think that personal satisfaction is not a huge amount to do with the type of work you do but more about your individual brain chemistry. However power control money and success does tend to give people of both genders as they then have control over their lives a slightly easier time.

I have also thought for over 25 years that it is sensible for successful woemn with big families to let others know it's very possible and works fine rather than the awful woman as low earner who would lvoe to work only 2 hours a day thing. Plenty of us are more than happy to leave someone else to scrub the floors and actually want to work ( as well as see our children).

DerangedSibyl · 26/02/2011 12:10

Xenia - I've got to ask this - what would you do if EVERYONE decided to be as high an earner as you, and nobody would scrub your floors?

mamatomany · 26/02/2011 12:12

She'd have to scrub her own floor which she is capable of doing .... are the floor scrubbers capable of specialist contract law is the question ?

Fleecy · 26/02/2011 12:56

My FTE would be £64k, DH's £39k. We're both self-employed running our own businesses and have chosen to work part time to spend more time with the DC. We currently work 2 or 3 days each per week so no childcare costs - and with a small mortgage, that's way more than enough to live comfortably.

I will definitely be encouraging my children to think about what they want from life when choosing their careers. DH and I have been lucky enough to fall into jobs that have enabled us to set up on our own, be very flexible, spend time as a family and make enough money to live comfortably if not lavishly and I would advise my children to do the same.

Giselle99 · 26/02/2011 13:20

New to Mumsnet posting; longtime lurker! I'm surprised to read how much part-time salaried GPs earn; I really assumed they earned the same as consultants, but it appears their salaries are similar to SAS hospital doctors. I'm full-time NHS Consultant and earn £104K a year. I'm 38 and pregnant but plan to return to full-time work after maternity leave as I can't do my job part-time - I'd have to find someone to jobshare with (easier said than done in my field) or apply for another job, which I probably won't get with 40 applicants for consultant jobs nowadays. Tbh the job is flexible enough as it is; friends and colleagues in the same field who now work part-time after having children seem to work almost as many hours as I do.

I enjoy what I do and won't give it up if I won the lottery. The downside of course will be full-time childcare but this won't be full-time nursery/CM (provisionally nannyshare/mother or mother/part-time nursery or mother/part-time CM). I'm more than happy with what I'm paid, but won't say no to a pay rise :)

Xenia · 26/02/2011 13:28

It's pointless question asking what would h appen if all womenm only took well paid jobs and assuming men would not then do the dross, because everyone takes caerer decisions on an individual basis and all people have value. You don't see right I could be the UK's leading surgeon but let's forget my AAA* A levels and lets become a care home assistant on just under £6 an hour because the nation needs them.

And of course because I'm a mother of 5 I spend half my life cleaning up after people. It's very good for all of us to do that whatever we earn.

As for childcare which men and women who work full time need to arrange (never ever think it is for women to arrange childcare - it is a parental issue - it the way of future trouble and sexism if you take it all unto yourself) - children have 2 parents; children don't mind and in fact tend to do better than if a parent is at home so it's win win all round.

working9while5 · 26/02/2011 13:29

It's not just about floor scrubbing though, is it? What if Xenia got cancer and needed specialist nursing? Or was injured and needed a physio? Lower wages are not always associated with unskilled work, particularly not when Xenia views salaries of 20/30/40K as somewhat piffling.

If we all had knowledge of specialist contract law, Xenia wouldn't be paid quite as much. If specialist contract law wasn't seen as high value in our society (higher than, say, specialist cancer nursing), then Xenia wouldn't be paid well either.

There will be many with highly specialist knowledge who will never be paid hugely for the work that they do. Even if they are nine stone Wink

GMajor7 · 26/02/2011 13:34

£20K is a good salary Blush.

Xenia · 26/02/2011 13:40

I don't think I've said I do but the thread is interesting because a lot of women have done and earn from £500k down to much smaller sums and some are unahppy on low and high wages and some aren't but it's it's still all interesting information to read.

£20k is much higher than the minimum wage salary although I suspect if you earn £13k for 40 hours the benefits you get on top of that mean you probably have in your pocket as much as the person on £20k because of the way our system works (if you dont' have a partner with a higher income().

ilovecrisps · 26/02/2011 13:47

Interesting thread
I'm looking for careers ideas for my children the professions are out (except possibly law) banking consulting is looking good, maybe IT consulting but can I ask what do you actually do all day?
It it writing computer programmes (do you have to be terribly nerdy for that or can anyone do it?) do you read lots of documents give presentation follow other workers around looking at what they are doing?

I am really curious

FWIW my only experience of consulting (and it's not personal experience) is McKinseys telling the NHS they could save money but closing beds

oh can some of those earning over 200k name change and tell us what they do Grin

Xenia · 26/02/2011 13:55

if you are an equity partner in a big accountancy firm in London or lawyer or QCyou will earn typically well over £200k. £200k is a lowish salary. Hoever it's people those people serve who make the real money in the UK. Those people are hired hands as are the management consultants. it's those who build up a business and sell it who make the real money and plenty of those are women. More women than men under 40 are millionaires in the Uk at the moment. In some ways some of those women have succeeded because they were forced out of their previous work by sexism and then set up their own enterprises which is if you are good a better way to make a lot more money - owning the company rather than only earning £100k as an employee who could be out of a job tomorrow.

In terms of what children should do it depends on the child. I have tried to show mine a lot of different ideas and careers. I do think most schools and universities have pretty good careers departments.

I've worked with those who write computer programs over the years mentioned above. It is those who have a good business partner good at finance and marketing though who tend to be able to make something good of that. The writing of the games itself isn't that well paid I don't think.

My parents' advice was pick work you'll enjoy for the rest of your life which is the advice I try to give to people. If you get up with relish because you love what you do then it's so much easier.

GMajor7 · 26/02/2011 13:59

There are other measures of success than money of course.

juneybean · 26/02/2011 14:00

£96 a week for 16 hours in a private nursery.

It's going to more than double in a few weeks when I go back to nannying

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 26/02/2011 14:08

A lot of people don't CHOOSE their careers though. If you come from a low income background confidence is a major issue, as are opportunities, access, ideas and experience - and this is before taking into account education.

Also if you do come from a low income and you are bright/talented it's pot luck on what advice and direction you get. Often your family aren't equipped to guide you or push you and if you are at state school the teaching staff don't have the resources to make you a focus. And you may naturally tend to have low expectations anyway...it's good enough to do A-levels, to get to university, to get this job... whereas someone with more confidence will think 'the sky's the limit'.

I was thinking about this while watching the Alexander McQueen documentary last night - he was so lucky to have Isabella Blow pushing him, promoting him, giving him introductions and guiding him from a very young age. A lot of young bright kids from tough backgrounds do need more mentors and champions.

ilovecrisps · 26/02/2011 14:09

I love my job but it's not well paid yet very demanding of time and effort and emotionally.

Trouble is I come from a long line of employed people I don't think there's a self-employed one amongst us not an entreprenurial (?sp) amino acid in our DNA Grin

mizu · 26/02/2011 14:53

I earn just under £19000 a year and work about 4 days a week (and DH about the samesalary but full time, maybe slighly less in a non skilled job) and I am a language lecturer. I love my job very much but I would love to get paid more (and work a bit less) Smile

Xenia · 26/02/2011 15:21

Yes, the How people get jobs programme that was on a few weeks ago illustrated that well. Some children don't even know certain careers exist. They think the only way they get a lot of money is by being Cheryl Cole or Beckham. Plenty of people even middle class as I am don't have the ability to get work experience for chidlren. I have having anyone around me and I've turned down 100% of requests over the years and wouldnt' want to impose any of mine on anyone else. They should succeed under their own efforts where possible.

(Yes there are lots of other measure of success than money and just about everyone here has chidlren who presumably they love and are more important than just about any other element of our lives but it's still interesting to find out what people do earn particularly if you have university stage chidlren as I do who are having to take decisions abotu which career and on what basis to decide which is not very easy at all).

flotter · 26/02/2011 15:53

In-house lawyer for multi-national on outskirts of London. Pay was £120k (now less since only working 3 days/week). Work 8.30am - 5.30pm, but with 1 hour commute each side (traffic terrible). Occasional work weekends and/or evenings. Job can be stressful and I have no promotion prospects at all. Manage small team with lots of office politics. Will need to move firm to go higher.

Pretty good job until you compare that with my DH ...

DH is hedge fund manager. Earns £250k salary, but total compensation package is seven figures. Works the hours he wants, mainly 8am to 5pm, but can be longer or sometimes he doesn't go in at all. Never works weekends. Doesn't manage anybody. Takes holidays when he likes. Compensation is formula. No politics. He's never really stressed at all!

BoffinMum · 26/02/2011 19:33

Kids at school cannot predict which sectors will be high earning in 25-50 years' time, because fashions change and jobs go up and down in status. It's law and finance in vogue at the moment - it will be something else entirely in the future, I wager (eg green energy scientists, perhaps?)

The most important thing is that kids are resilient and can change professional direction as required. As Charles Handy says, many of us have to face the fact we will have portolio careers in our lives, and two or even three career strands. The idea that you do one thing for life is going to be the exception rather than the rule. The sooner everyone wises up to that, as well as the fact that LUCK plays a big part in getting into the right sector at the right time, then the happier we will all be.