To think that all Tory voters should become volunteers

[donkeyderby]

Give over your jobs to those who didn't vote for this bunch of monkeys, and run our libraries or feed our old people - for nothing.

noSuch - just out of interest, why would you say Tolstoy is tory reading material? It's all about freeing the peasants and an equal society (I've read a lot of Tolstoy, including War & Peace ) and he was pretty leftie in his thinking.

Lady what makes you think 'Blair supporters' don't volunteer already? The Tories should surely have worked out the finer details of who is going to volunteer and for what in their Big Society plan. That was my previous point - Where IS the plan? We just seem to be lurching in an uncontrolled manner, surrounded by the fallout of cuts to charities and community groups and local authorities. WHERE IS THE PLAN?

(By the way, Blair is not the leader of the opposition in case you hadn't realised)

Some of us already do so Lady - just as many Tory supporters do. I would not call myself a "Blair supporter" any more than some Conservatives would class themselves as a "Cameron supporter" I'd just like to see more people putting their money where their mouths are.

Absdu

Tolstoy was into religion in a big way.
You could call Jesus a leftie on that basis,

Ladyof the manor (Literally???) So you dont rate libraries, ,Sure Start, keeping youth out of trouble organisations. breakfast clubs for poorer children, and many more presumably. (Nice to be self sufficient, but not detached from people )

cheers, anyway, "Gabby"

God almighty- so amny stupid stereotypes both ways! I eman 'Tory literature to include things like Shakespeare, Tolstoy, Sebastian Faulks etc etc. Perhaps an autobigraphy of Branson or Murdoch thrown in here and there.

Labour material would be more along the lines of "Speling is eleetist" or "White, Male and Middle-Class? Why YOU are the root of all evil".
' huh? Should I bin my degree and have my post grad removed by dint of my Labour vote in the past then? Or perhaps my volunteering is insignoioficant because of the times I have voted LD? (not letting on which I voted for last time on this website!).

I have Tory mates and Labour mates and LD ones (less than before mind by quite a margin ) and theya re all HUMAN and vary widely.

Personally i think the Big Society is self destructive when it takes jobs out of the system (and I for one cannot find one even with the quals- carer not on JSA). taxes from employees are the ebst way of escaping debt.

But that's my opinion- it's not a random judgement on anyone who didn't vote same as me. Opinions good, stereotypes pathetically devisive: EITHER way!

I found donkey's op quite funny. Lighten up, people. Things are grim.

ScramVonChubby - taxes from private sector employees = useful.

Taxes from public sector employees funded by ever-increasing borrowing = sure way to economic ruin.

I'll explain it very slowly and simply if you don't understand.

My reading material stereotypes were meant to be tongue-in-cheek, btw!!

Donkey-yes but, I blame Blair for the majority of trouble the country is in. I hold him personally responsible.

I asked you to specify these crucial places where we must all be volunteering.

"Ladyof the manor (Literally???) So you dont rate libraries, ,Sure Start, keeping youth out of trouble organisations. breakfast clubs for poorer children, and many more presumably. (Nice to be self sufficient, but not detached from people )"

Hmmm, how can I say this without being hunted down and tortured.

I work hard for my son to enroll in boarding school-sadly children having to go to breakfast club isn't MY issue. I'm happy to fund it but I shan't be standing around in a pinny.

.. and there we have the true Tory Lady

Not my problem so I'm not interested. Sadly some other peiople ALSO work hard but don't have the same level of income which allows them to send a child to boarding school.

Still as long as you're okay pull the ladder up eh?

Are you saying you don't want to do teh volunteering, lady, or that these services aren't crucial?

... and this is Dave's Big Society - a lot of Tories dictating how others live but not giving a shit about how it's done as long as they don't need to get involved and they and theirs don't suffer the consequences.

Fuck nosuch, I understand perfectly! I understand for a start that I cant find work in a sector that NEEDS people for a start- I work with autistic children and carers. not disposable nice little schemes promoting pretty lighting designs in city centres or anything (just an example of what my own city seems to prefer- a Labour one BTW)

It isn't just taxes from state employees is it? Employed state employee = paying taxes; unemployed state employee = not paying taxes and taking extensively and quite possibly long term from the benefits system. Quite easy for a family to go from being net contributors of £5k to net takers of £30k; alongside all the poorer outcomes associated with unemployment such as health and the prospects for the children.
Plus all the other people that cannot work as a result- sandwich bars that serviced public sector buildings; childcarers that looked after their children; people that maybe could have worked with the rightc arer input or disability support, suually provided by state (well, underprovided but that's another thing).

I ahve no issues with being disagreed with, but it really is not tax V single wage at all; these employees do not vanish off the planet never to need food water or housing again.

Sadly I think she's saying both pointydog.

"Everything else of my concern is privatised so...."

Never had a friend or relative who has made use of a hospice? Or is that not your concern? Your list if 'essentials' was very small and I wondered if that really did cover everything that matters to you.

To lady, not dilly obv.

The last three of you need to read something slightly more politically and economically astute and educative than the DM.

Bum. Not you last three.

bog off.

aha! I thought you meant me. I was being rude to you.

They really have vanished. Tis most perturbing. I see dear LOTM is spouting her usual born again Christian values.

hully you might have to specify the details of the last 3 LOL- but I am morally free of DM taint >

Is LOTM a Born Again then? Wow- you miss a month of MN and new peeps appear everywhere! Could have sworn Chrostians beleived in loving thy neighbour, do unto others and God is Love etc but then what would I know, only have an RE degree as info.

I know, amazing huh? Whole new branch of Haysoos teaching.

I thought it was a funny OP. And I was just thinking the same as Scramvonchubby.

Yes, LOTM, what did Jesus say about giving thy neighbour who has no coat thy second coat. Thou only hast need of one. About giving away material things, eh, eh???