to think that prisoners shouldn't have the right to vote?

[LadyOfTheManor]

Blah blah blah human rights. Surely they gave up their human rights when they committed anti-civilised/social crimes?

The EU courts are putting pressure on...I think it's ridiculous. They shouldn't have a say of how society is treated when they have been purposefully removed from it.

I say we make voting "legal" for them. But deny them the right to leave the prison in order to do it. Surely that would work?

That would've been enough votes to avoid a coalition.

Gaston, people who are sectioned under the mental health act, in a mental health facility do not have the right to vote.

no it wouldn't have. the conservatives had over 2 million more votes than labour, even if they had all voted conservative there would not have been enough for a majority, and it would have been highly unlikely that they would all vote for one party.

surely if you are dependant on a government-run institution, then you have an invested interest in the current government??

I fully think that prisoners should be allowed to vote.

Seriously? I thought it was only people who were sectioned under mental health act in criminal circumstances who were excluded iyswim.

I think everyone should be free to make the choice as to whether or not they vote, it's too hard to legislate if not.

I think it makes moral sense to allow prisoners to vote. However, my moral compass gets confused on this one, because ex-P is currently languishing behind bars and frankly I'd be happy for them to throw away the key- remove as many privileges from him (and scum like him) as possible.

I always understood that being sectioned and in a secure facility was one of the legal incapacities which stopped you from voting. It may have changed since I last looked it up. Probably has.

FWIW, I don't believe that people who have been sent to prison should be permitted to vote. If you commit a crime and lose your liberty as a result, then you should also lose your right to vote because liberty and freedom go hand in hand in my book.

i am stunned by your pathetic inability to answer my question, ladywhatever.

what if the govt changes and throws you into prison for, oh i dunno, being a christian? the point is that crimes can change with the law, and law can change with governments... we protect our possible future selves by protecting the human rights of prisoners.

YABU. The point of human rights is that they are for all humans at all times.

Aitch stop with your attitude. I answered your question. If anyone goes to prison, they are not entitled to vote. What part of my answer do you not understand?

As the law CLEARLY states, it isn't a HUMAN right it is a CIVIL right.

so if the law changes and, for example, evangelical christianity becomes illegal and every evangelical christian in the land is chucked in jail, you don't think they should be allowed a say in the next government? because they are criminals?

Yes if I got thrown into prison and the law said that prisoners don't get votes then what is there to argue about? It's the law, it is what it is.

i've just checked entire thread, btw. you didn't ever answer my question. (i think because you don't actually understand it... )

have just seen your answer.

what if they outlaw stupid people, where will you be then?

"As the law CLEARLY states, it isn't a HUMAN right it is a CIVIL right."

No need to shout (capitals that is).

I mentioned human rights in response to your original post which said

"Surely they gave up their human rights when they committed anti-civilised/social crimes?"

I suspect the OP has no real attachment to this question. She is just a bit of a socio-path regarding this. Just a bit bored? Hence the 'blah' in her opening post.
tbh I don't feel strongly either way. Apart from the poss. consequence that judges would be deciding who gets to vote and who doesn't,and as a nation we worked through the separation of powers hundreds of years ago, and this measure would improve on that.

of course her earlier ref. to voting being a "perk", but "in a democracy" reveals much of her lack of thought about this.

So really it's a

to the OP, yes. I'd vote for that.

is that to me? if so, no. Just ill-considered over this issue.