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To be more than happy to have NOT been sucked in by the Tories last year?

39 replies

figcake · 08/02/2011 10:42

..in view of some of the comments made by the man-at-the-helm recently? Inciting religious hatred, infringing upon the rights of the disabled, expecting people to contribute enthusiastically to Big Society. Wtf?

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frgr · 08/02/2011 12:23

OP: "expecting people to contribute enthusiastically to Big Society"

LadyThumb: "Once upon a time we had a Big Society - where people looked out for their neighbours, and their children, and we actually had a 'society' that cared for others."

This discusses issues which directly relate to my rosy specs comment, my link to the other thread, and my third reply to you stating that this "caring" came at a price, albeit one which the market had never taken the time to value or even think about.

If that isn't a feminist topic, I don't know what is...

mamatomany · 08/02/2011 12:29

Women's right to work has also come at a price, it used to be a choice now most families require two wages (and two sets of NI and tax and travel costs/clothes/childcare fee's) just to keep their heads above water, who is gaining anything at all from that ?
I don't mind embracing the big society providing my cost of living is going to be reduced to DH's wage and I shall be protected from him finding a younger model.
Less stress, less hassel, more parental input, what's not to like ?

FabbyChic · 08/02/2011 12:40

The tories will do what they always do, make the poor poorer. Cutting EMA for me was the crux of the mess to come, he doesn't want ordinary working class kids getting a higher education.

If not for EMA my son would not have been able to take A Levels his college is only accessible by train at a cost of almost £20 a week, without EMA he wouldn't have been able to go.

Therefore putting him unemployed without nothing, and no future prospects.

As it stands now he will achieved the required grades to enable him to study Maths at University, prepping him for an investment bank job paying £50k plus bonuses to start.

LDNmummy · 08/02/2011 13:09

YANBU AT ALL!

He did not directly incite racial hatred or division but he has given ample ammunition to those who do, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT TOO.

The right wing fascists are already claiming the government backs them due to his remarks, and the minority (especially Islamic) population will feel even more segregated and marginlazized than ever. More young minority group members are going to feel abandoned by this government, and if hate preachers who disguise themselves as father type figures, needed new ammunition and a new batch of vulnerable young men to influence, they would indeed find both now.

LDNmummy · 08/02/2011 13:14

marginalised* not marginlazized, oopsie.

GabySolis · 08/02/2011 13:15

Racial hatred? Because he (quite rightly) said that multi-culturalism isn't working? Get a grip.

Agree with the above.
YABU.

LDNmummy · 08/02/2011 13:27

The measures that Cameron seems to be putting in place are only going to exacerbate racial and religious tension's IMO. I have a feeling we are going to have a repeat of rioting in places like Birmingham where tensions already run high. And a lot of reasons why multiculturalism has failed are down to government and local council decisions in the first place.

Chil1234 · 08/02/2011 13:29

Right wing fascists & extremists more generally are perfectly capable of taking any sensible speech and twisting it to suit their own sick purposes. Remember when the Archbishop of Canterbury said that some aspects of Sharia law might be acceptable in the UK? Uproar!

LDNmummy · 08/02/2011 13:59

Your absolutely right Chil1234, just hopping this thinly vieled disguise of typical right wing fear of the unfamilliar speech that DC has spouted is not going to make it worse.

figcake · 08/02/2011 14:07

But who is he to say that multiculturalism is not working? How much day-to-day experience of it has he had in his life? Where I live in London, there are more nationalities and cultures represented then I will ever know. I love talking to new immigrants and finding out about their outlook on life. My DDs teacher wears a hijab yet is a lovely larger-than-life character who manages to deliver the full NC better than her previous teacher. Some of DDs friends mums wear the full head/face covering (where you can only see their eyes) yet nobody marginalizes them in the slightest. Everybody learns about all religions and beliefs and everyone is well catered for at school events (including non meat-eaters like ourselves). What's not to like?

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Chil1234 · 08/02/2011 14:15

I think the distinction was the type of state multiculturalism that goes beyond appreciating & enjoying people of other cultures for what they contribute to the whole (something very positive) and instead corrals people of like origin together artificially, doesn't encourage integration or language-learning & creates unintentional barriers.

LadyBunny · 08/02/2011 14:36

YANBU

I don't get what Cameron's on about most of the time. I understand the words, and the sentences fit together in a grammatically correct way, but the concepts and ideology? Tumbleweedtime.

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ccpccp · 08/02/2011 15:05

The coalition brings with it a welcome return to straight talking common sense. It would take a rabid leftie to read anything but no-nonsense honesty in DCs statements.

Glad to hear EMA worked for your son FabbyChic! Hes one of the handful it did work for no doubt. The other hundreds of millions of wasted money went on booze and DVDs.

GabbyLoggon · 08/02/2011 15:15

I tend to go with the view that this question would be more relevant in a years time. I did not vote for either Coalition party. and think Dave C is a good salesman but as shallow as a pancake which has been layed on by a pregnant elephant, "Gabby"

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