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In thinking - this isn't just normal 'tween' horribleness is it?

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Cleofartra · 24/01/2011 13:12

DD (11) is driving me insane.

Current annoyances:

Stays awake half the night then refuses to get up in the morning. If I try to turn her light off she screams that she's scared and is generally so impossible we have to turn it back on or she'll wake the entire neighborhood up. Every morning it's a huge battle to get her out of bed. Every night it's a huge battle to get her into bed. She has woken DH and I up 5 nights out of 7 in the past 6 months - complaining she doesn't feel well, or can't sleep or thinks there's been a break in.

She never, ever, ever does anything she's asked to do. Hair washing, homework, having a bath, tidying her room, getting her uniform/bag ready for school, picking her stuff off the floor. Won't do it until you've asked her 10 times and got angry. Not even then most of the time.

Has graffiti'd her newly painted bedroom wall with moronic slogans: "Yo, Gabz!", "Hate the haters, love your friends!", "My life, my rules!".

Refuses to do any exercise at all.

Hides junk food in her room and eats at all times of the day and night.

Is rude to me generally but especially in front of her friends.

Won't take responsibility for anything she does wrong - losing her uniform, upsetting friends, getting detentions etc. It's always someone else's fault.

Is very attention seeking - has lots of annoying strategies, her latest being to ask forcibly, volubly and at length for us to buy her things that she knows we are going to say 'no' to - a hamster/new phone/high heels/make-up, and to keep asking and going on until one of us loses the plot with her. She's also always going on about her aches and pains - always ill, always feeling sick, always got a head-ache (unless there's a chance of a shopping trip/burger/bar of chocolate on offer in which case she makes an instantaneous recovery).

She's an absolute pain in the arse about homework - doesn't write it down at school, or writes it on random pieces of paper which she then loses. If she absolutely has to do it she'll get it done in about 10 seconds, and it's usually done very badly.

For some reason her teachers mostly think she's great (she's very lively and engaged at school, though she complains about school constantly at home and says she hates it) and has just been put on the gifted and talented register.

She's lovely to everyone else's siblings but utterly vile to her own two younger brothers, especially my 5 year old ds who has autism. She deliberately winds him up, and shouts at him. Calls him a 'freak' and a 'spaz'.

She's driving me and ds NUTS. We're trying to be calm and firm with her, and to sing from the same song-sheet so she can't play us off against each other, though she tries. DH told me the other day that he finds her really unlikeable and I understand why. She spends about 90% of her time at home being obstructive, rude and lazy. She gets loads of attention and affection and is not missing out on anything. She's also got lots of friends.

In the past year she's experimented with every type of dysfunctional behaviour. She self-harmed for a few weeks, scratching her arms and sucking big welts on them. She showed it to me and to the school nurse straight away and we talked about it. She got bored of that after a while. Then she started playing up about food. She'd refuse to eat anything I made her and storm out the house in the morning without breakfast. She'd go hours and hours without eating and then sneak into the kitchen and eat biscuits while I wasn't looking, so I'd think she hadn't had anything that day. Then she started eating everything in sight saying 'I just can't help myself, I can't stop eating'. That lasted a month or so and she put on a bit of weight. She's not doing that so much at the moment so I assume she's brewing up something else to worry us with.

A few weeks ago she disappeared after school after telling some friends she was going to run away for 3 hours just to worry me and her dad. It was a freezing dark night and I was beside myself with anxiety when she didn't come back. The school and the police liaison from the school got involved helping us to track her down, and she did eventually appear come home of her own accord. She wasn't at all contrite even though she knew I'd been in tears and that the whole family, including my newly widowed mum, had been terrified that something had happened to her.

She's been referred to CAHMS and is waiting or an appointment, but in the meantime I'm at the end of my tether with her.

If things are going her way (ie she's getting what she wants) she's generally very high-spirited, confident and cheerful), but if anyone thwarts her or says 'no' to her she just becomes impossible.

Sad

Would you judge the behaviour I've described above as normal for a child who won't be 12 until August? Doesn't seem that way to me. I'm tearing my hair out over it.

OP posts:
Deaddei · 24/01/2011 17:28

I Don't think you're cruel!!
Some of the behaviour you describe eg self harming, hypochondria, describes dd to a T - she has Ocd and has had CBT for it which has helps.
CAHMS may help, if only to say there is nothing wrong-Have you talked to school re her behaviour? AGree with others re boundaries and routines.
Dd is worse around period time.
I have had times over the years when I hated her behaviour so much, I wanted her put in care.
Life is much better now.

FabbyChic · 24/01/2011 17:32

Sounds normal to me.

Not sure why you think she should be exercising. My kid is 17 and never has.

MillyR · 24/01/2011 17:35

None of us know that this is hypochondria. The physical symptoms she has are classic symptoms of physical side effects of mental health problems in children.

Ormirian · 24/01/2011 17:38

DS2's best friends older brother was acting quite like this - but he was violent as well. It was as if he kept doing things that were saying 'Look at this! Watch me do this, Look now!' and when the agitation and adrenaline didn't dissipate or when he didn't get the attention/response he needed, he flipped. Finally after months of this, and running away a few times and being picked up by the police (and assaulting 2 police officers) he has been diagnosed with ADHD.

Still struggling to get the dosage right but they are getting there. And best of all he has recognised that he has a problem and wants to change.

mulranno · 24/01/2011 17:48

2 of our 4 children are "challenging", my sister who is an ed psych has suggested that I look on them as fundamentally "needy and anxious" and not to dwell on the detail of the bad behaviour but to see it as a symptom/expression of the stress beneath. This has really changed how I interact with my children, and has helped us all cope better , we still have issues but they escalate to extremes much less often. So if you had a friend who was needy and anxious you might approach them with compassion, gentleness, quiet and calm. With many emotional issues - getting practical things in place, healthy eating, getting outdoors, exercise, relaxation, rest and sleep and routine help to balance the mind and body. This may sound like hard work and regimented....but you can work on little habits one at a time. Also meet them somewhere halfway. From my perspective my daughter is also a neat freak, I used to get really angry with her demanding that the house was tidy and screaming when she came in from school about the mess. The truth is I am very erratic and untidy. Now I ensure that I have tidied up for 20 mins before she comes home. Also I have stopped shouting....and I often ask does she need a hug when she kicks off. This is not easy for me as I am naturally fiesty. Maybe the focus on your other child or his issues/special needs she finds hard to deal with? Maybe take her out and listen without interupting, judging, commenting etc. When I watch "worlds stictest parents" - they all manage to turn around very difficult older children with calmness, kindness and boundaries and expectations. I wish you luck, stamina and emotional energy to keep going.

Ashamedandnamechanged · 24/01/2011 17:52

I think the CAMHS appointment will e crucial, as there are quite a lot of different issue that could be signs of many different things, or nothing at all.
As a secondary teacher, I could tell you that in every year group there will always be a few girls with this kind of behaviour, and usually the bright ones are the worst (more manipulative etc.)

It sounds like (perhaps along with many other factors) she isn't settling into school very well. You say that she is one of only a few middle class girls in the school, also that the teachers think she is a delight - maybe the other children show very poor behaviour and she feels she has to keep up. If this is the case, are there options of other schools in the area? I know parents and schools are often reluctant mo move children around, but some simply aren't suited. When I was a teen I went to two different secondary schools, one with a very poor ethos, in which I performed very badly, and another where the 'cool' kids all did well. As a result, my attitude changed and I did very well.

pickgo · 24/01/2011 18:16

I too am glad to hear you are pursuing the CAHMS appointment. Your DD's behaviour sounds so like my friends child who was diagnosed eventually and needed medication.
I think you should see your gp, iniatially on your own, and try and get them to hurry the CAHMS up.
In the meantime, you can't go wrong with kind, calm and firm. Also I'd suggest having a talk with your DH and make sure there is no possibility that you end up charcterising your DD as just negatives. She may be hard to like at the mo but I think you'll make her problems 100 times worse if she feels unwanted.
Make sure you both get some breaks and good luck.

Miggsie · 24/01/2011 18:25

She sounds tired and bored with no-one to stimulate her intellectually...it happened to me, I did all this, but at 16 and it was boredom basically. The teachers are being lazy as she is naturally bright so they don't have to bother so essentially she spends all day doing sod all, she's trying to generate attention and excitement.

I escaped into books and also photography, she sounds like she desperately needs an interest.

Apart from the home routine which other have made suggestions for I'd seriously look at moving her to a school which is more "pushy" and academically ambitious.

The puberty hormones will be making it worse as well although I think they are contributory and not the cause.

Punkatheart · 24/01/2011 18:38

She sounds emotionally immature - trying to keep up with her friends.

If it helps - we had quite a few of the things on the list with our daughter - we really were very very worried. There were tears on both sides. She was writing on her bedroom wall too - sometimes scratching it. Like you, it scared us...

It turned out to be the pressure of school, hormones - she is now 13 and although not all has been ironed out - we have changed schools and she is so much calmer.

You are doing everything right. Be firm, reward good behaviour and love her. You may have answers soon.

I am sorry to have to suffer this - I know what it's like.

onceamai · 24/01/2011 20:49

I haven't read all of the thread but I have a 12 year old daughter and a 16 year old son. Admittedly they haven't reacted like your dd.

BUT - she's presumably just gone to secondary which may have been more of a strain than you imagine, especially as she's your eldest and you might not have been prepared for it. She also may be becoming very hormonal and trying to deal with enormous change on a second level, ie, emotional and physical.

As for the feeling ill and always saying she's in pain, actually our DS looking back probably did suffer quite severely from growing pains and I don't think we gave him enough sympathy in retrospect.

All of this and you really sound as though you have your hands full with two younger boys, one of whom is autistic.

Actually, I think you are under too much pressure and your dd is struggling and is crying out for some time and space and care that you just don't have the capacity to give.

Only a thought - but are there a couple of things you could give in on to try to calm the battle ground. Would a grown up(ish) pair of shoes really do any harm, or pierced ears, or a trip to a movie just with you. Just for once to say, OK, if you want that's fine rather than responding with a fight.

My DH works away a lot of time and probably once a week DD and I go to bed together and watch TV, have a chat, she has a hot chocolate (I have a wine) and we have a read and a snooze. Rather than all the punishments and the "you won't get this if you don't get that" do you think a bit of OK Iyes I know you're difficult but I love you lots in spite of it and I still think you're worth the odd treat might be a positive step.

Not saying that bad behaviour is acceptable or that CAHMs isn't worth a go but she just seems to be screaming out for attention and begging you to prove that your love is unconditional.

Sorry you are all going through this.

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