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to thinkthat there are lots of people nowadays who don't seem to have life/communicatiion skills?

45 replies

PatPending · 21/01/2011 23:38

Just musing about life ..... (e.g. MN posts)
For example, people who want to tackle schools, nurseries etc. and defend their DCs.
People who can't seem to negotiate the workplace politics?
People who can't communicate with their partners?

Is this new? Or am I deluded? It's just that my perception is that my generation just "got on with it"?
Nobody complained to schools in my day.
If you had a job you just had to take the rough with the smooth(not saying that's right but it was how it used to work).
Couples just "got on with it" and muddled through .... this is one area where I think things are definitely better now.

Am I viewing things through rosy-tinted glasses?
Could we go back to some things that were better?

Just musing really!!

I just think we have an idea nowadays that .. "It's all someone else's fault"?

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tethersend · 21/01/2011 23:40

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tethersend · 21/01/2011 23:40

My mum made me type that. It's her fault.

A1980 · 21/01/2011 23:43

PAtPending how old are you?

I was a child in the 1980's and i remember the same fucking parents who ALWAYS moaned to the school to try and their own way for their DC's. It was everything from not getting good parts in the school plays to not being given a high enough mark for school work.

Either you're older than me or you have a short memory.

Precious parents certaily existed in my generation.

GreenEyesandHam · 21/01/2011 23:44

Tethersend :o

PatPending · 21/01/2011 23:45

LOL .... I think!! Confused Grin

Suppose it's better than a biscuit .... ???? Confused

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PatPending · 21/01/2011 23:48

A1980 - I'm a 1960's child so school from 1965 - 1977.
Nobody's parents interfered at school ..... but this may be a Scottish thing .... dour and all that.
It just didn't happen.

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 21/01/2011 23:49

yep - they "got on with it" and suffered in silence - did shocking things for the suicide rates you know - especially among men. And for the women (as generally back in "ye good ol' days" the women didn't work) a life of misery, and probably DV.

Great times they were.

bubblewrapped · 21/01/2011 23:50

PatP, you are right.

These days people google something and instantly think they are an expert on it.. from the law to brain surgery.

And everyone knows their "human rights"...

stoatsrevenge · 21/01/2011 23:50

Exactly why we do so much talking in the EY and KS1, and why we've started forest school.

Co-operative, collaborative and decision-making skills are essential!

PatPending · 21/01/2011 23:53

Oh I'm not saying everything was great Baroque - but sometimes I think we have thrown the baby out with the bathwater IYSWIM?
I'm just reminiscing a bit really .... lots of things have improved but equally, lots of things have gone awry.

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 21/01/2011 23:53

actually though - I@ve said about women there in the relationships "muddling through" - but the case I know the best it was the man. A very emotionally abusive and controlling women actually lay at the heart of my grandad's long and "happy" marriage (nearly 60yrs).

Only came to light after she died before him and my grandad - although nearly 90 at that point, found a new lease of life. Started eating foods that he'd always said he didn't like - turns out she didn't like them so wouldn't let him buy them/have them in the house. Doing stuff that he wanted to do, buying things that he'd always said he didn't want/need. The last few years of his life were actually the happiest I ever remember him.

So yep - "muddling along" in relationship is a really great idea Hmm

A1980 · 21/01/2011 23:57

Ah. By the 1980's it was too late. People were already precious helicopter paretns LOL!

PatPending · 22/01/2011 00:02

That's really interesting Baroque ... and I really don't mean to minimise unhappy marriages from years gone by but sometimes I do wonder if couples nowadays "jump ship" quite quickly.
And I am not talking about abusive/destructive relationships here!!
I mean average couples who hit a hurdle and run away from the problem .... I've seen it happen sadly.

Don't mean to offend ... as I said I'm just musing!!

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DameShirleyKnot · 22/01/2011 00:05

My gran took an absolute shitload of valium. Seriously, I'm not joking she was hideously addicted and it affect her mental health that she ended up in a psychiatric unit, where she died. She cried to me when I was 6 about how sad she was about her life. Sad

My father was beaten by his grandmother with a stick on a regular basis. Not an unusual thing back in the day.

My mother was beaten on occasion.

I went to school while the cane was still in force. Luckily for me I was never "bad" enough to warrant being hit with a stick.

Previous generations didn't get on with it. They were forced into places they shouldn't have been forced into.

I wish my nan could have divorced my grandfather rather than spending her lifetime fighting terrible depression to the point at which she cracked.

I wish my parents had a voice wwhen they were getting beat

I wish the kids in my class who were struggling with LD were not hit with a stick...

oh look. We're there. Thank Fuck.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 22/01/2011 00:07

I'm struggling to see what's gone awry?

Bullying, (from pupils and teachers) has - in general, vastly decreased, when parents suddenly find their child struggling at school/has a shite teacher they do noww have more voice to deal with it (obviously not toally - but compared to what it was...). Had my mother been at school today she would no doubt have been diagnosed dyslexic and given the help she needed, as it was her parents were fobbed off and told she was stupid - nice!

Workers now don't (again in comparison) have to put up with bullying, unfair, and dangerous practices in their workplace. They can have help to negotiate and get better conditions - and consequently are no doubt more productive - as well as being mentally fitter.

People in bad relationships have the option to either get the hell out, or have help putting things right instead of putting up and shutting up, and suffering years of abusive/controlling behaviour, and quite probably also having MH issues.

You may mock "human rights" - but they've come about as society has developed and changed and realised that everyone has a right to be treated fairly.

I'm sure had the internet been around in the 50's and 60's then more people would have known them as well and realised that they don't have to put up with the shit and live a bloody awful life, that they had a right to be treated fairly

Of course we could always turn back the clock 100yrs or so if you want, the workhouses, kids down the mine, education limited, we could bring back the cane as well if you like???????

CaptainNancy · 22/01/2011 00:14

We are all vis fick cos r parentz never complaned 2 skewl, innit Confused

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 22/01/2011 00:15

oh trust me - my Grandad would have jumped ship much earlier had he felt he could. He was like a totally different man, even my mum noticed it and realised that he'd been unhappy in his marriage for as long as she could remember - and probably longer. Just the times he lived in said he had to put up with it.

Actually I don't think some jump ship as quick as they should still..........you only need to look at the DV figures to see that....

I know quite a few divorced/seperated people (a rather large number actually thinking about it Shock!, and only one of those (imo - and from what I know, and what she's said) left just because she was (to summarise her words) "bored" of it.

Jumping ship isn't exactly an easy, or simple decision to make, especially if there are children involved. Especially if your family are still living in the 1950's and think that you should just have tried harder......

PatPending · 22/01/2011 00:18

Ah DameShirley - see I know it was shit for some folks ... but it's still shit for some folks now eh?
I'm not referring to domestic abuse issues ... that is absolutely a different arena.

I was just musing on the "precious" people I suppose who "get all down and involved" with every problem their offspring have.
Hands up .... I'm an average Gran who has had some shit stuff in her life.
I don't know .... I muse on these things and I think that we have made huge strides in some areas but in others I think we are breeding a nation of "woosy" children who don't know how to stand up for themselves??

Flame away!!!

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bubblewrapped · 22/01/2011 00:23

Almost everyone expects compensation for anything in their life that goes wrong these days.. it seems to be an automatic reaction.

Counselling seems to be offered for the slightest thing..

PatPending · 22/01/2011 00:27

Look - I'm not saying we should go back to the "bad old days"!!
I know there was a whole crock of shit that used to get dumped on folk! I know that ... really I do (I have a family history too you know!!)
All I'm wondering is ... are we too "hovering" now, too "nannyish"....

I just wonder if we "protect" our DCs too much with regards to handling situations?

I will admit to saying "It's your problem, so you have to sort it" to my DCs.

Is that wrong??

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DameShirleyKnot · 22/01/2011 00:30

It's less shit than it was Pat. A lot less shit. Women on the 50's who were beaten or sexually abused were actively told to suck it up.

I think we live in a better world than that now.

I think the preciousness you are talking about always existed. In the early 80's we had the sitcom "sorry" which illustrated that perfectly clearly. PFB is not a new phenomena.

My children aren't "wussy" most children I know aren't "wussy". I feel terrible for some you posters who appear to live in these worlds where everything is shit. It must be so wearing.

Bubblewrapped - careful that brain cell you've got on loan appears to be nearing it's end of life.

PatPending · 22/01/2011 00:37

I hear You DameShirley - see I was blessed with a golden childhood so maybe I'm imagining it was all bloody marvellous for everyone? I had happy parents in a happy marriage blah blah blah.

This is why I love MN - totally disrupts my thinking!

Thanks all - I really do enjoy being "nudged" in this way.

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 22/01/2011 00:37

Yes - but that's what I'm saying - only one of the many people I know that have been divorced at some point in their lives (some are now very happily married) left their marriage for a reason other than emotional, physical or verbal abuse, or because their "D"H had run off with someone else (actually one of them ran off and left her DH but).

And unless you're actually there in their life you don't actually know what the problems are, or how deep they run, how long they've been going for etc. My parents to this day don't actually know what caused me to finally leave my marriage (we'd got back together for a while but then I finished it - with good reason)

I was also "woosy" child that didn't know how to stand up for myself, I was bullied, my parents were of the ilk that I had to learn to stand up for myself, so although I told them some of what was happening at school I didn't tell all of it - as I knew they thought I should be standing up for myself. I ouldn't stop the bullies, the teachers didn't stop the bullies, my parents didn't stop the bullies.

The result??? Most of my adult life so far suffering from low self esteem, recurring bouts of depression a wasted decade of my life (apart from my lovely DS's) . (thankfully in the last year or so I have managed to shake most of the issues off and start living)

My brother suffered the same fate as me at school- except it's affected him even more and in his mid 30's still hasn't overcome many of the issues, still lives alone with few friends.

Some children - are naturally strong willed and confident and can easily "fight" (not in the physical sense I hope Grin) against stuff that happens to them. Otherise are naturally more shy, and reserved, and yes - you can encourage then, and try and teach them how to stand up for themselves, but you can't force the issue. And until the day comes when they have found the confidence to speak out for themselves someone has to do it for them.

Having said that I do know that some parents are helicopter/cotton wool parents. But I don't believe we're breeding a nation of "woosy" children/ There have always been parents like that, there always will be.

Tbh - I'd rather have a nation of "woosy" children who head into adult life (while perhaps a little naive and needing to quickly learn some "Real life" skills) feeling that someone was looking out for them when they were children, and with good self esteem and no "issues" already there to deal with before they even hit the adult issues in life. Than a nation of people who had to go through what I, and many others, did.

LaurieFairyonthetreeEatsCake · 22/01/2011 00:41

It has been ever thus.

More importantly why does every generation think they are different and/or special Hmm

People are the same, the same shit always happens.

Just like every generation thinks it invented sex (my grandmother put me right on that one - talking about doing it against the wall cos she thought her boyfriend would die in the war).

MillyR · 22/01/2011 00:42

Perhaps people complain more now because we are unhappy. Haven't there been two reports now showing that British children are the unhappiest in Europe?