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To think we have something to learn form the 'Chinese' mother story?

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Cortina · 19/01/2011 13:41

Looking beyond her questionable motivational methods she clearly believed in the seemingly limitless potential of her children and the merits of instilling good self discipline.

I have so many friends who haven't achieved their potential and are now disappointed and depressed as a result. Parents who shouted up the stairs 'have you done your homework' and that was as far as it went. Musical talents being wasted, practice and interest waned as computer and TV use increased. In the bottom stream at school they channelled their energies into becoming the class clown laughing at the 'boffins' in the top set.

The rot set in early at primary level when they were allowed to coast and nothing happened at home to reinforce learning. Many left school with dead end jobs that don't reflect their ability.

Know I am a mother myself I see that self discipline and solid early foundations take a child far. My friends that did school work with their children before they went to school have seen that their child is often believed in early and this positive view of what they may be capable of tends to shadow the child through their school career.

What one child can achieve really very many can but we seem to like to believe that we are all prisoners of our IQ in the UK when really this might just be a cop out? Resources are limited and we have to decide who 'deserves' a good education so that may be one reason why. With effort we can all get better and who knows what is possible? Cognitive science has shown this so much recently but we love to cling to old beliefs about IQ etc. Children who are treated as if they are more intelligent often become so, they come to see themselves as learners who can improve and bounce back when faced with short term failures.

I've seen intelligent children being 'made' over time rather than being born. Are Asian children genetically more intelligent than others? I found that I could beat the most gifted pupil in my class in almost any test if I put the hours in. Put the hours in I used to with some subjects, sometimes putting myself to bed when I came home from school until bedtime so I wasn't tempted by anything else. Then I'd revise solidly, read widely and think deeply. Many thought I'd got an average IQ at best and that I wasn't very smart, but just look what I could do!

Self discipline takes you far in life. Angela Duckworth and Martin Seligman of the University of Pennsylvania found that students ability to stay focused and engaged with a difficult task and not give up predicted their performance in school tests and exams twice as well as their IQ did. Self discipline predicted their grades, IQ did not.

I am also a huge advocate of Carol Dweck (who should pay me for all the publicity I give her :)). Later today I am attending a meeting with a group of high powered business people. I will be listened to and my view will count. Before I adopted a growth mindset this simply wouldn't have happened.

OP posts:
LauLauLemon · 20/01/2011 15:40

IndigoBell - I don't push her at this age. When I was talking about pushing DC's I meant pushing them (to a certain extent) when they're older, in full-time education and pushing them to achieve better than they are. They don't need to be 100% perfect in everything of my choice. DD1 and DD2 will be encouraged and pushed to achieve more than they already have but there will be no very tight schedules here.

I know that she'll do things when she's good and ready to and we learn through playing, singing songs etc. I don't make her sit there for hours and repeat after me or write for hours, she thinks it's part of play time and I think if she's learning while clearly having fun it's fine. I don't set a restricted time where we HAVE to do this and that and she has to have learned it or else no treats and bed early. Right now I'm just trying to build up her pre-school education while having fun and spending quality time together.

I don't want her to be anything that she isn't but I want her to try her best. I was a very bright student but I became lazy and I had nobody to encourage me and push me to do better even though I easily could have. It should have been up to me by that point but I was far too lazy to care which is why I think I would have benefitted from stricter parents. I just want her to know I have high expectations of her because I love her and know she's capable and support her while gently encouraging her in the right direction and leading by example.

I never said I pushed my DD1, I just said I believe that DC's need to be pushed in certain respects. I'm sorry if it didn't come across that way.

pickgo · 20/01/2011 19:16

LauLauL your approach sounds about right to me. Learning is incredibly enhanced when the learner is enjoying themselves and what is learnt is retained when the learner is relaxed.
The only note of caution I would sound is that my DS1 was very bright, articulate and 'switched on' as a pre-schooler. By the time he was 4.5 and started school he could read about 40 words, count to 20, draw a rough map of the UK - basic things obviously, but more than the average at that age.
When he went to school the reception teacher entirely ignored his existing attainments and he had to sit with the rest of the class as they learnt the alphabet, counting to 10 etc.. He became bored, frustrated and just switched off by the end of the first term. He was so clearly disappointed that they were teaching things he already knew and decided school was a bore. It really saddened me.
I don't think he got past his early experiences really until he was about 15.
So my advice would be to choose your DDs first school very carefully and ensure that they will assess her attainments from day one.

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