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To be rude to MIL? Please help!

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Misfitless · 17/01/2011 07:22

I'm going to try to keep to the facts and keep my emotions at bay because I want genuine, unbiased opinions here...
Necessarily LONG - SORRY!

My MIL has a very big rootweiller-cross dog who has history ie: she herself told me some years ago that this dog 'went for' my nephew. The dog didn't bite the then baby because my SIL managed to grab her DS out of the way in time.

This happened approx 8.5 years ago, and since then the dog has growled at other children, but has not tried to bite any as far as I know becasue people keep thier babies away from this dog.

The dog's problem is, according to MIL, crawling babies and very small children. My DS is quite nervous around the dog, this isn't helped by MIL joking about the situation eg "My dog is going to eat your baby for his tea!"

Yesterday we invited MIL to have Sunday dinner. She arrived with the dog, as ususal. I was out with DD (3) and DS (5) because they wanted to go out in the dark in their wellies and we all needed some fresh air.

When we got in, the dog was in the hall with the door into the kitchen/diner shut. My son opened the door to go in the kitchen diner and MIL said 'Oh (tut, DS's name), you've let the dog in.' NB - the dog is massive, and DS is 5 and was scared so don't know if he was supposed to physically try and prevent the dog somehow. I said nothing, smiled and chatted to MIL.

Later on, because my 3 and 5 year old needed to be able to walk through the hall and back again I put the dog in the utility room, as this meant that my 12 month old baby did not have to be kept in her high chair, or be constrained on an adult's knee when she wanted to be crawling around.

All was well but I was very tense, admittedly (PMT and nervous wreck about dog and baby). I tried to keep a lid on it, though.

Sometime later MIL made a comment about the dog being in the utility room so OH said to put the dog in the hall with our dog which I did.

This meant my DCs were not free to move about the house without having to open the door and walk past the dog, who was behind the door, whilst trying to stop the dog getting into the kitchen/diner. It also made me more nervous about the baby crawling around in case the dog managed to get past the DCs.

Later still another comment was made so I brought the dog into the room with us, asked MIL to hold his collar and for OH to not take his eyes off the baby. At this point I was washing up and making coffee.

When I looked down MIL was holding the dog's collar and OH was on the floor with the baby. The baby was giving the dog a cuddle in her own delightful way ie: saying "AHhhh" and putting her face on the dog's back with her arms on the dog.

I snapped at OH "WIll you get her off the dog - why are you letting her do that?."

MIL said is a very casual way "Oh he (the dog) can't be arsed with that anymore."

By this she meant he's too old to be bothered snapping at small children.

MIL has said this several times before. OH said "Oh don't be so silly, it's fine" in a very patronising way.

At these comments I snapped and said "DO you know what, I am not prepared to risk it...I am not being silly or over-reacting. How can you possibly know or guarantee that that dog won't bite my baby? (Loud voice but not shouting) How can you? You can't .. you can't possibly know! It is my maternal instinct to want to protect my baby!"

MIL took offence and left. She appeared not to care about my feelings even though she was in our house.

OH had massive go at me because I was rude to MIL. I shouted back that she has been far ruder to me on several occasions and it's never bothered him enough for him to comment on it.

I shouted that she's been rude to our children several times and he's never once defended them and that I'm sick of biting my tongue and pussy footing around her.

I shouted that it was beyond belief that he would put out daughter in such a dangerous situation whilst telling me to stop being silly..that he's spinelss...showed no concern for daughter's safety or my feelings.. that MIL put feelings for dog above my feelings and safety of her own GD... I really ranted and shouted and so did he (I'm ashamed to say in ear shot of my DCs) but I literally felt sick with rage and was shaking like a leaf.

OH's main issue was that I was rude and that "two wrongs don't make a right" ie I didn't need to stoop to her level. The argument calmed down a bit became more of a heated discussion during which OH suggested that I should phone MIL and smooth things over for his sake as he didn't want any hard feelings and it could get out of hand.

I pointed out that he shouldn't have put daughter in that situation, should have respected my feelings and should have stuck up for me on several occasions when he hasn't ever done so. I suggested it was unreasonable to ask me to phone and that either he should phone and show his support for me, or MIL should phone.

OH has since apologised several times and has said that he can see my POV and that he supports me but that he shouldn't be the one to phone MIL, it should be me.

He can not understand why am I still so angry because he has apologised, so that should be that and I shouldn't be angry.

Your thoughts please.

OP posts:
Chil1234 · 17/01/2011 07:27

YANBU... It's your home. If you don't want a large dog in your home then don't let her bring the thing next time. Simple as that. You could apologise for losing your temper, perhaps, but make it very clear that you don't want the dog in your house and that she should leave it behind in future.

mitochondria · 17/01/2011 07:27

YANBU.

If it was me, I wouldn't have had the dog in my house in the first place.

And no, it's not necessary for you to apologise. I wouldn't phone MIL - your husband can do so if he wants to. You have nothing to apologise for.

If you're lucky, she will remain cross for a while so you won't have to have the dog in the house again!

FancyALittle · 17/01/2011 07:29

Ask her to leave the dog at home next time. Why should you be obliged to let a dangerous beast into your house (the dog ;-))?

muttimalzwei · 17/01/2011 07:29

This is a horrible situation to be in. I think the only way to handle it is to call your mother in law when you are calm and collected. Perhpas apologise (but not too much!!) and tell her honestly how you feel and that she has to respect how you feel about this. See what she has to say. If she becomes offensive then just stay firm and say 'I am sorry that is how I feel and we need to come to some sort of compromise.'

muttimalzwei · 17/01/2011 07:30

ie leave the dog at home

Bathsheba · 17/01/2011 07:34

Why on earth does she feel the need to bring the dog with her...??

I was a dog owner and came from a dog owning family before I moved away and got married and had children - throughout my youth etc we rarely took the dog out with us to visit - esp if it was just a trip for dinner.

I assume she lives near you, I assume it was for a couple of hours, I can see no reason why she needed to bring the dog with her in the first place so from the outset she was in the wrong

dessen · 17/01/2011 07:35

yanbu -your house- your rules. How dare she bring her dog and then expect your kids to manage the situation. I've a dog & would never let my baby put her arms around it. Makes me sick to think how little respect she has for you & your kids. Plus your oh - sides with his mother & not you - shamefull. Let mil ring you & then you tll her that when she comes round again her dog stays at home. If you go round to her house her dog is outside and contained so it can't get to your kids. Good luck & well done for saying what you did.

TurkeyBurgerThing · 17/01/2011 07:38

I'd never take my dogs to someone's house who had babies crawling and small toddlers unless I was told it was ok to do so. It's just not on. Leave the dog at home! Rotties are lovely dogs and a lot of the time their aggressive behaviour (as with most status symbol dogs when only used for just that reason rather than as a loved and wanted pet) is more to do with their handling and training but I'd not be happy in your situation.

YADNBU

Misfitless · 17/01/2011 07:38

Yes - will definately not have dog in the house again. OH has supported me in this decision already. Havw only allowed dog in house as was trying to take MIL's feelings into account. I know she doesn't like leaving the dog on his own. Thanks - keep comments coming if anyone has anything else to say. I am going to try and get OH to read this whole thing.

AIBU to still be angry at OH?

OP posts:
onceamai · 17/01/2011 07:40

Apologise MIL for the way you reacted and the fact that it wasn't intended to upset her but use this as an oppportunity to say that she is always welcome but the dog has to stay at her house.

Geepers · 17/01/2011 07:40

I wouldn't have a dog i didnt trust anywhere near my children or baby and certainly wouldn't allow it in my house. If the dog had bitten anyone you'd have only had yourself to blame for allowing it in your home.

KaraStarbuckThrace · 17/01/2011 07:43

YANBU - and your OH was very U not to back you up, especially if he never comments when she is rude for you.

I do think you should apologise for losing her temper - be the bigger person, but make it clear the dog is not welcome.

FattyArbuckel · 17/01/2011 07:45

Never let this dog into your house and insist it is locked up if you visit mil.

Don't waste energy being mad at dh, dealing with your own mother can be difficult.

You shouldn't have to go through this dog worry again. It's not reasonable for dog owners to expect to bring their dogs into other peoples homes.

whatdoiknowanyway · 17/01/2011 07:59

You could always show her this article www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1607887.ece or any one of many similar.
In this case the grandmother was charged for her part in death of her granddaughter who was attacked by a dog in her home.

Lovecat · 17/01/2011 08:03

If that's literally all you said to her, then DO NOT apologise! You have nothing to apologise for!

You stated your case, made your wishes clear and both your MIL and DH decided they 'knew better'. They should be apologising to you, and if MIL can't see that, then do you really want her in your house again?

Sadly some people are blind when it comes to their animals - there used to be a horse at my old yard who was a rescue and had many behavioural issues - his owner was black and blue from the kickings and bitings it gave her, but she maintained that he was a lovely, harmless horse even after he bit the finger off the head stable girl Shock and was absolutely furious that anyone could ever think differently. not saying your MIL is quite as deluded, but people are strange...

ZacharyQuack · 17/01/2011 08:06

Tell your MIL that while she of course is always welcome in your home, her dog is not as you cannot be sure that your children will be safe.

It's then her choice to come without the dog, or to stay at home.

jester68 · 17/01/2011 08:08

You are difinately not being unreasonable. I would be like you. Actually the dog would not be welcome in my house at all.

And I think it is sad that she has treated you bad in the past and your husband has never stuck up for you, but he will stick up for his mother. So uou are not being unreasonable to still be angry with him either.

Ormirian · 17/01/2011 08:08

"AIBU to still be angry at OH?"

Yes.

The initial situation I can quite sympathise with but he's apologised and seen your POV. Unless there is something else I would let it go.

Mishy1234 · 17/01/2011 08:09

YANBU at all and if I were you I wouldn't apologise.

I would call her though and tell her that the dog is no longer welcome in your house.

She should be apologising to you.

curlymama · 17/01/2011 08:23

Try not to be angry at DH anyomre, unless he continues to insist that you phone his MIL. He has apologised, and while you are still entitled to be angry about the situation, it would be better for all of you if you try and not direct the anger at him anymore. If he realises he was wrong and that he needed to stick up for you, and has agreed to do so in future, you don't need to be angry at him.

You are the one that is owed the apology for being put in such a situation. If you get that, I would say you should apologise in return for losing your temper.

echt · 17/01/2011 08:25

Why does anyone bring their dog into someone else's home?

I have a dog and wouldn't dream of it.

As a parallel, would anyone bring their cat to visit? Of course not.

Arses.

RunawayFishWife · 17/01/2011 08:32

I would tell the MIL she is not welcome to bring her dog to your home and if your OH does not like it tell him to feck off

FreudianSlipIntoMyLaptop · 17/01/2011 08:41

You just can't let her bring the dog with her. It might be a small risk but it is a risk all the same.

A little girl got killed by a dog in my DSCs' road, it was their own dog but it just flipped :(

I think you just have to suck it up - apologise for appearing rude but tell her you've made up your mind to not allow the dog in the house at all anymore.

FetchezLaVache · 17/01/2011 08:57

YANBU. In fact I'm quite cross on your behalf! IME dogs don't become less inclined to snap as they get older, they become a damn sight MORE likely to do so. It might be politic to apologise (for any rudeness, not for the substance of what you said or your basic stance) to keep the peace, but stick to your guns on this one. Apart from the danger, how awful for your kids to have to spend an afternoon corralled in one room!

BrandyAlexander · 17/01/2011 09:03

No way I would have let the dog in my house in the first place and I would expect both PIL and DH to respect my feelings. In DDs first year when PIL would visit, they would bring the dog, however, it was either always in the garden or in the garage. DH "manned up" and told them that this is what we both wanted and therefore they never questioned it and did as they were told. Oh and he is a big soft gorgeous dog whom DD has grown to love like the rest of us. YANBU and yes I would be livid with MIL (no way I would be apologising) and DH (as far as I am concerned DC and DW should come first).