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to think that there are very few jobs which fit in with young children in school?

517 replies

jamieoliverfan · 04/01/2011 20:08

Especially considering how often they get ill (my dc started in September and has been off ill for 20 days with 2 tummy bugs, 3 double ear infections and now tonsillitis and ear infection) plus then there are all the school holidays.

Both dh and I don't want to leave our dc in before and after school childcare or childcare during the Holidays as we believe that we should look after our own child. So I would like to know what jobs could you do between 9.30 and 15.00 Monday to Friday except term time and during illness?

I have contacted supermarkets: they were not interested re how to deal with flexibility in case of illness (dh cannot take time off in these circumstances)(i.e.unpaid leave I suggested, but that was not possible). Also contacted local businesses but they thought the hours were too restricted and that school holidays would be a problem.

Is there anybody who has a job during term time with some flexibility in case of children being ill? What do you do and how did you get it?

Thanks a lot.

OP posts:
OracleOfDelphinium · 04/01/2011 22:09

How many examples do you want, Loflo? If you can't see anything horrible in this thread, I am flabbergasted.

working9while5 · 04/01/2011 22:10

Really? Lots of you really agree that life should fit around a job? From an employer's perspective, well why not.. but I've walked this path and found it an unrewarding, stressful existence.

Moondog, you know I think you're brilliant in many ways but I can't agree that work should rightfully be a primary focus of life. I think some people may choose for it to be so and that's quite okay, but as a should?

Work is tremendously important to me, but I a
have barely returned at all after maternity leave. 2 and a half days term-time only. I am fortunate that, really, it makes very little difference to my employer that I have chosen these hours (I didn't even have to make a formal request for flexible working). My previous contract comprised of five different roles, so I have simply discarded of two of these which have been taken up by another person. I am busily depositing eggs in baskets, undertaking some private work, completing a postgrad and having some time in the week to devote to additional training. However, I am also aware that I am likely to want to pregnant again soon, so I have one foot on the platform and another on the train. In this context, and in my working world, I have weighed up many factors to find a balance that is, at this time, right for me.

However, I think it's quite negative to believe that work can and should come first.. it feeds all sorts of stereotypes that disadvantage men, women and children in the pursuit of family life. I am extraordinarily lucky that both dh and I work with progressive employers (public and private sector) to have arranged flexible childcare cover - if ds is sick, dh can take time and make it back as I can't take time off during term times, yet my reduced working hours enable me to be available to an extent I am happy with (for now). It is a possibility when creative solutions are accepted by employers of men and women. If you commit to your work, your work should commit to you.

Perhaps the OP may be looking for utopia in an effort to convince herself that work is an impossibility, but there can and should be room for all sorts of flexible arrangements that do not necessarily disadvantage employers etc.

Honeydragon · 04/01/2011 22:10

That the issue 007, I've got them sorted, but DH got promoted, huge amount of travel now often at short notice so I may have to quit but I've been there 5 years and built of loads of entitlements, and money was great as ds started school. The idea of starting all that again after two years out if working from home goes down the cack scares the crap out of me!

TandB · 04/01/2011 22:12

[makes room for loflo in the sing-song]

working9while5 · 04/01/2011 22:16

Really? Lots of you really agree that life should fit around a job? From an employer's perspective, well why not.. but I've walked this path and found it an unrewarding, stressful existence.

Moondog, you know I think you're brilliant in many ways but I can't agree that work should rightfully be a primary focus of life. I think some people may choose for it to be so and that's quite okay, but as a should?

Work is tremendously important to me, but I have barely returned at all after maternity leave. 2 and a half days term-time only. I am fortunate that, really, it makes very little difference to my employer that I have chosen these hours (I didn't even have to make a formal request for flexible working). My previous contract comprised of five different roles, so I have simply discarded of two of these which have been taken up by another person. I am busily depositing eggs in baskets, undertaking some private work, completing a postgrad and having some time in the week to devote to additional training. I don't intend this to be a "forever" arrangement, but we are far from home and the term time option affords me the opportunity to spend more time in my home country with my family, enabling my ds to spend time with his grandparents while they are still young and vibrant. I am also aware that I am likely to want to pregnant again soon, so I have one foot on the platform and another on the train. In this context, and in my working world, I have weighed up many factors to find a balance that is, at this time, right for me.

However, I think it's quite negative to believe that work can and should come first.. it feeds all sorts of stereotypes that disadvantage men, women and children in the pursuit of family life. I am extraordinarily lucky that both dh and I work with progressive employers (public and private sector) to have arranged flexible childcare cover - if ds is sick, dh can take time and make it back as I can't take time off during term times, yet my reduced working hours enable me to be available to an extent I am happy with (for now). It is a possibility when creative solutions are accepted by employers of men and women. If you commit to your work, your work should commit to you.

Perhaps the OP may be looking for utopia in an effort to convince herself that work is an impossibility, but there can and should be room for all sorts of flexible arrangements that do not necessarily disadvantage employers etc. Yes, there may be jobs where it is unfeasible, but that in itself does not suggest to me that work is in and of itself rightfully more important than having desires and wants in relation to your family life. These thoughts guided my career choices, as I am sure they do others. There's room for all sorts of choices in life on both employment and family fronts, no?

loflo · 04/01/2011 22:18

Aw thanks - altogether now - gin gan gooley gooley gooley gooley

working9while5 · 04/01/2011 22:18

Oops, thought the first one was a preview..

mole1 · 04/01/2011 22:19

Op, your post's wording really does you no favours.

I work part time although dd2 has severe disabilities and health issues which mean she has lots of medical appointments and time off with illnesses. I have no local family and dh can only do so much as his job earns 3 times what mine does, so has to take priority. I manage by banking lots of overtime hours when dd is well and then taking them as toil when she is not. I also am able to work evenings and weekends if necessary, as my boss is a very reasonable person - also, in my case, employers have to consider requests for flexible working if you have a disabled child (although there is no guarantee they will agree to it).

The best options for you are to work in the public sector, which tends to be more forgiving, or to start your own business. But in the current economic climate, neither are easy options!

loflo · 04/01/2011 22:20

The first horrid thing I read was this Oracle:

"because our children are the priority for us and we don't like dumping them on others. Also, we think we are best placed to look after our own children as we clearly can solely focus on them and have their best interest at heart. We specifically chose to have children so we feel that they are our responsibility not of society. Also, we do not need the latest car and expensive holidays, clothes etc. to be happy ..."

UnquietDad · 04/01/2011 22:24

"we believe that we should look after our own child" is arsey, holier-than-thou and doesn't recognise the day-to-day practicalities of most working parents.

And if anyone thinks parents work for "the latest cars and luxuries" then they are living in fairyland.

I work mainly from home but with some out-of-house appointments at schools and universities. DW is a teacher. We manage it between us, through the usual combination of shared school run, breakfast club, after-school club, occasional holiday club, help from friends (reciprocated) help from family (who are not nearby), goodwill of employers, as much flexibility as we can possibly manage and general angst.

loflo · 04/01/2011 22:28

(pushes the like button for unquietdads post)

scottishmummy · 04/01/2011 22:31

bank/agency work- catering/care/secretarial work on as required basis

i pay a lot of money to dump my children with feral carers.i dont need flexibility because i am too busy working

anythingwithagiraffeonit · 04/01/2011 22:34

I really can't believe how awful people are being to the OP...

expatinscotland should be ashamed of herself. She is, presumably, a mother? Is that any way to behave! At least other posters attempted wit.

OracleOfDelphinium · 04/01/2011 22:34

Funny, Loflo - I thought that was relatively mild compared to some of the stuff other people said to the OP. The bit of her post that you quoted is gauche and unfortunately expressed (though I can see what she's trying to say) - but it's not horrid. Perhaps it just touched a nerve? Similarly, someone could argue that it's pretty offensive to say that only women with paid jobs should be allowed to have opinions - but, again, it's just a ridiculous, off-the-cuff remark. If you re-read the thread, it's quite clear that the tone of several posters towards the OP is plainly nasty. They didn't like the way she expressed herself, and got stuck in to her in a smug, sarcastic, let's-take-the-piss kind of way. I think that is a shame, especially as she asked a reasonable question in the first place.

expatinscotland · 04/01/2011 22:37

A sad state of our society is that there are so many people who feel entitled to the world on a string whenever they stomp their feeties.

loflo · 04/01/2011 22:37

If you read the whole post Oracle you would see that I said that the remark re opinions was to wind up Pink4ever. I have worked and stayed at home and have no problem with anyone elses choices. I do have a problem with her suggesting however that our children are dumped.

And my smugness wasn't directed at the OP as my first comment clearly shows but at another poster......

OracleOfDelphinium · 04/01/2011 22:41

So it isn't nasty if it's not directed at the OP? Hmm

There is generally so much nastiness on MN. Is it really necessary? If you think the OP is a pile of poo, why post a reply? Is it just to show how very clever and sarcastic you can be? (Not directed at you, Loflo: just at unpleasant MNers in general. Moondog's initial comment was typical of what I'm talking about.)

loflo · 04/01/2011 22:43

See your point Oracle but the original reply I posted for the OP was genuinely meant. And I am usually sweetness and light - honestly Grin

scottishmummy · 04/01/2011 22:44

you have children,you provide and you compromise.usually that's give up your own time in return for salary.its about being an adult who takes responsibility

shandyleer · 04/01/2011 22:45

007alert, couldn't agree more with your first post, was the exact reason I went back to work. OP, I work for a charity who work with families, so they are very understanding. We are all parents and our working hours fall within school hours. However, there are still school holidays to worry and stress about.

expatinscotland · 04/01/2011 22:46

Jamie Oliver is a workaholic. Wonder how he feels about his work/life balance?

Hmm
Katisha · 04/01/2011 22:47

OP, suggest you do Jamie at Home party plan.

Simples.

mamasmissionimpossible · 04/01/2011 22:48

Agree with Oracle. I don't understand the nastiness on MN. Let people make up their own minds as to what is right for their families.

expatinscotland · 04/01/2011 22:50

Welcome to AIBU and OPs who deliberately post to inflame.

MarineIguana · 04/01/2011 23:00

I've only skimmed the thread but I'm also shocked at how the OP has been treated.

I guess I'm one of these people who wants the moon on a stick then. I love my job and I want to do it. We could survive on DP's salary, but I like having my own money, and I like having the bit extra that has allowed us to buy our house. So sue me. I think wanting to work for those reasons is OK.

BUT I'm not impressed with just how little time school allows for working - the short hours, the holidays, the random extra days off here there and everywhere. We do use after-school club but it's not a crime to feel a bit like I am "dumping" DS when I do, or that I would be if I used it all the time. A lot of people have grandparents to help out - we don't. I really do think there are many, many jobs that employers don't think can be part-time but which actually could be, easily. And I suspect that their inflexibility is often fuelled by a nasty sexist attitude that they will make women suffer for having kids, or try to get rid of them. I've seen many women be treated like shit by their work after having DC, to the point where they just jacked it in. They could have gone through a tribunal, but small kids and little money isn't exactly conducive to that.

There should be more jobs that either parent could do in school hours. If there were, far more people could work.

So, OP, I have one - it's freelance writing and editing, at home. It pays well, there's no boss to give me a hard time if DC are ill, no commute, and completely flexible hours. The downside is having to work late to catch up, but I'd take this set-up over any of my employed friends' tbh.