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My au pair keeps laughing at me

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NameHasChanged · 20/12/2010 12:08

Since I went back to work full time, we have had au pairs to do after school pick-ups and pitch in with ironing etc.
We've had three and the first two were great, so much so that I used to take them along to family outings at weekends and really they were part of our lives as one of the family.
However, this latest one, who is Hungarian, has slowly but surely started to drive me completely mad. She has a nervous habit of laughing at everything I say or do, and the same for my husband and the kids.
It's like living with the Laughing Policeman, eg:
Me: Kids! put your school shoes on, we're going to be late AGAIN
Au pair: ah ha ha ha ha ha
Me: DS, why didn't you tell me it was football today, your kit is still in the wash
Au pair: tee hee hee hee hee hee
Me: DH, don't forget it's parents' evening tonight
DH: Oh hell, I said I was going to play tennis, do I have to?
Au Pair: HAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Anyway, I have been hanging on for her to go home for a fortnight tomorrow from Gatwick but it's looking increasingly like we'll be stuck with her for Christmas. I now have got tto the point where she is irritating me so much it's probably quite obvious. I'm sure the poor girl has no idea what she is doing wrong, as she is hard-working, helpful and tidy and in every other respect absolutely fine.
I have spoken to her three times about the laughing. First I told her twice not to laugh when I was disciplining the kids, as it undermined the process, she seemed to take that on board and has stopped more or less.
Then yesterday while DH was shouting at me to get the dog under control and the dog was scrabbling all over my lap in the car laddering my tights, I did say rather snappily: "Please stop laughing, you sound like you are laughing at me." She stopped rather suddently and apologised and sounded really rather shocked. but then we went to a farm to get a Christmas tree and it was back to:
DH: Where are the christmas trees, then?
AP: hahahaha
ME: Please get one that doesn't shed needles this year
AP; Hoohoo hoo hoo hoo
DH but they are more expensive
AP: tee hee hee hee
ME: Worth it though..
AP: hahahahahHAHAHA

DH reckons it is such a deep-seated habit that she won't be able to change it and we will just make her unhappy and self conscious if we mention it. I think she could get it under control as she doesn't do it on the phone to her relatives in Hungary. i think it's a mix of feeling awkward here, not understanding half of what is being said and wanting to contribute to the conversation in what she thinks is a jolly, positive way. She also says WOW a lot and WAAAH!, i think for want of any actual English words she can think of. Her English isn't bad though, I'd say about as good as my GCSE French, say.
I'm tempted to have a word but don't know where to start - or should I just ring the agency, send her home and get another one?
To all who think this is the most boring, trivial and bourgeois problem ever, I really do apologise - and agree!

OP posts:
BalloonSlayer · 20/12/2010 12:46

Does anyone remember a fab series about 20 years ago called Dream On?

It was made by the people who made Friends and was about a single man and his exploits, and there would be lots of old movies cut into the action, to show what he was thinking.

IIRC he had a cleaner called Magda (Hungarian name, no?) and all she ever did was laugh.

I have looked on You-tube and there's precious little Dream On there.

GetOrfMoiLand · 20/12/2010 12:50

I feel sorry for the girl.

It seems very harsh to feel so badly at a girl who laughs nervously. As you say she works well and the kids like her.

And you never know, watching a dog scratch your tights may well have been hilarious.

She is miles from home, is just a giggling girl, have a bit of compassion.

Also a bit Hmm at 'send her home, get another' like she is a commodity.

Mind you, trivial servant problems are probably not my forte.

JodiesMummy · 20/12/2010 12:52

I agree GetOrf - the whole "I was hoping to get rid of her for Christmas, bloody hell" type of comment really grates.

Imagine how she feels stuck with you stuck up twats OP. And miles away from her family too. Have a heart.

AnyoneforTurps · 20/12/2010 12:57

Have you tried being honest with her? If she is sensible and mature in other ways, couldn't you just sit her down, tell her in a calm way that you know the laughing is a nervous habit but that it's driving you nuts? The worst that can happen is that she carries on doing it and it might get better. At the moment, she probably thinks that you are irrationally annoyed with her which is only going to make her more nervous. At least if you're honest, she'll know why you are irritated.

MissHellToe · 20/12/2010 12:59

It's not charity though. She's neither a pet OP is obliged to look after. It is immensely personal having someone live in your home, and if it's not working OP can employ someone else. It's not turfing her out into the street, is it?

NameHasChanged · 20/12/2010 13:05

Anyone for Turps, Yes that is what I've got to do, you're right. Is fairer to give her proper feedback and try to help her settle in a bit better.
JodiesMummy, that's a bit nasty, an au pair is not a servant, this is a cultural exchange for her to learn English and travel a bit, we give her pocket money and pay her college fees and in exchange she chips in and help around the house. 90 per cent of which means, in effect, playing Lego with the primary school aged kids, cooking them fishfingers and doing the odd bit of unloading the dishwasher. I probably shouldn't even bother to defend it but at £75 a week it is cheaper than before and after school care where I live, plus I think it is nicer for the kids to come home after school rather than be farmed out to childminders.
I am ordinary mum on very ordinary wage, this ain't a case of keeping some poor Filipina in the garage and making her work 60 hours a week, honestly.

OP posts:
ghostgirl · 20/12/2010 13:06

I wouldn't even raise the laughing issue with her at all at this stage.

It really does sound like it is a nervous laugh, maybe related to not understanding English. The fact she doesn't do it with her family points to this also. She may not feel completely comfortable around you yet.

As there are no issues at all in regards to her work with the children/household, what I would do is to really use the next few days, especially if she is unable to go home, to get to know her.

I would do the coffee meeting and talk to her about how she is finding everything. I would also tell her that you appreciate all that she has done.

Really try and set aside your irritations for the next week or so, the poor girl is probably quite upset about her holiday plans being ruined as well.

Hopefully she relaxes more around you and the laughing naturally stops or you get to know her well enough to be able to approach her about it in a sensitive way at a more appropriate time.

tethersjinglebellend · 20/12/2010 13:07

Wait until after Christmas and then swap her- you might get two in the sales.

I presume you kept the receipt?

festiveflashingmammaries · 20/12/2010 13:12

why not just make her redundant and tell her to go? she will be back in hungary by the time you recruit another in any case

NameHasChanged · 20/12/2010 13:13

I don't think it has even occurred to her that she might not get home, in Hungary I think they manage to keep airports open in the snow Smile.
But dh says Gatwick is working now - so maybe she can go home.
I am hoping she will go home, we can all take five and when she comes back after Christmas I will have a proper talk with her in the nicest way possible. If we could get to the point of making a lighthearted joke about it, then I'm sure would be fine. Jodies mummy, I can't believe how chippy you are - why is an au pair so different from a childminder or using a nursery or creche - surely it all comes down to trying to find nice people to care for your kids? Or don't you believe mums should work - perhaps you're the privileged one?

OP posts:
donkeyderby · 20/12/2010 13:18

she may be nervous around you as you probably give out vibes of disapproval and annoyance. Try a bit of Christmas spirit and hide the fury and ooze warmth and see if she stops laughing. Conversely, you could just say 'why do you laugh every time I speak?'. I don't think that would be cruel, a bit like pointing out someone has spinach on their teeth - much better to be told than not.

MistletoeMush · 20/12/2010 13:20

This made me laugh so much that I nearly spay yoghurt all over my keyboard

TBH I do this quite often myself (not spitting yognurt), laughing in slightly inappropriate situations. Sometimes its just because I find odd things funny and sometimes its because I'm thinking about something completely unrelated to the current situation. Eg I was in training at work the other day and the trainer was talking about something quite serious and I was laughing at something that had happened earlier in the day.

LeakMyWiki · 20/12/2010 13:25

Why is it necessary to defend your choices, by slating others "farmed out to childminder" Hmm is v dull.

HopeForTheJingleBells · 20/12/2010 13:47

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containher · 20/12/2010 13:53

Oh i feel your pain!!! I went to college with a girl who had the most irritating nervous laugh- it was a loud, manly laugh- sounded a bit like the noise a dog makes when it coughs! She would laugh at everything- and anything- I just wanted to shake her and say " that wasn't funny- stop laughing!!!!!" luckily I didn't live with her. Try not to be nasty to your hungarian helper- I was horrible to this girl at college and would look at her with such distaste everytime she laughed- I was 17 then- and wish I had been a nicer person about it-

MumNWLondon · 20/12/2010 14:08

I think you need to sit her down for an "end of year" "appraisal".

Ask her how she thinks its going. Ask her if she is happy. Ask her if there is anything you do that is upsetting/annoying her.

Then tell her all the things you like about her. Then tell her that you find the laughing thing very difficult etc.

JodiesMummy · 20/12/2010 14:15

Oh yes Im so priveliged. DD is currently at her £25 a day nursery while I sit here at work for £35 a day. Yep, so priveliged.

anothercrappychristmas · 20/12/2010 14:38

This is the thread I have read in ages, not the problem itself, which I do get op, but the little written scenes PMSL Grin. Thanks for cheering me up today, I needed it!

anothercrappychristmas · 20/12/2010 14:39

funniest thread

DanZZZenAroundTheTreeAgain · 20/12/2010 14:39

I liked her scenes too

chaya5738 · 20/12/2010 14:44

This would annoy me too (although I have a habit of laughing at inappropriate moments too out of nervousness).

You sound very kind and understanding so not sure why Jodiesmum is being so harsh on you.

It is a bourgeois problem though but that is what makes it so funny. Not exploitative, just funny.

K12Mom · 20/12/2010 14:48

Having to rely on paid help because you can't afford to stay home and look after your kids/home yourself is not a bourgeois problem.

chaya5738 · 20/12/2010 14:51

Sorry, I was using the words that the OP used but you are probably right.

We wouldn't be able to afford an au pair though - we can just afford nursery fees but DD daughter stays there til the last possible minute and then I leave work early every day to collect her. I WISH we could afford someone to help out with that. That is not a criticism of the OP but just how it is for us.

MoonUnitAlpha · 20/12/2010 14:52

Actually she is an employee (or at least a worker) - you pay her to do a job for you. The fact that she lives in your house exempts you from paying minimum wage but doesn't really exempt you from other aspects of employment law.

However, as she's worked for you for less than a year unfair dismissal isn't an issue so long as you're not sacking her for a discriminatory reason.

I feel very sorry for her too. Wait til after Christmas and give her her notice. Sounds like a miserable situation for everyone.

chaya5738 · 20/12/2010 14:53

I suppose what the OP and I meant by it being a bourgeois problem is that if you have enough money to be able to pay someone to help you out then the fact that they laugh a lot just seems a bit trivial. We sometimes can't pay our rent and if I get sick and can't go to work we are screwed. That seems like a more serious problem in comparison.

That being said, I completely agree with the OP and would find the laughing annoying and don't judge her for having an au pair. I think it is a very sensible solution and I am jealous!