To not give my children the swine flu vaccine?

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I decided not to last year as I wanted to wait and see how safe it was but am reconsidering this year after several people have died. Did you give it to your children and what were your reasons to give/not give it?

Thanks elephantine. I'll have a look at it later. Going to watch a movie with DH :)

Sorry i read that after, however we are still living with the long term of deaths if 2 or 3 people a year are still dying from a disease they caught in the 80's.

'You are being called intellectually incoherent.'

Really Coalition? Since you haven't bothered to address any of my arguments how about you save the insults eh?

Electra - How is that an insult? You said you were being accused of hypocrisy. You aren't. No one is saying that you don't believe the ideas you are presenting. Pixie is asking why you apply a particular set of standards to one set of chemicals and not to others. Without a reason to explain why this is intellectually incoherent - you are applying a set of ideas inconsistently.

And I didn't call you anything - I just pointed out that that was the implication of pixies posts, rather than hypocrisy.

And I responded to the exactly one post you have made prior to this that mentioned my name.
Not very intellectually rigorous either then.

I didn't say it was about me in the first place though.

I don't think the argument makes much sense. Obviously everything in life is a risk otherwise we'd never go out of the house. That doesn't mean we are not entitled to question vaccines, how they are given etc.

I've found the sneering on this thread from people in the pro-vaccination camp quite rude and insulting given that none of them can answer my concerns. I am not trying to win an argument to get moral high-ground - I would be prepared to review my decisions about vaccination if the stuff that makes no sense could be explained. But nobody ever can. And 'science' is not all in support of vaccination.

I used to be pro-vaccination myself. Back in the days before I realised there are a lot of things that don't add up.

So, you think the study from the university if Columbia is a load of rubbish then? If so you've obviously not read much yourself.

Are you an intellectual heavy weight yourself then Coalition? Because you haven't referenced even one study to back up your opinions. Unless you've read the original research you have no right to scoff at me.

'Are you an intellectual heavy weight yourself then Coalition?'
she likes to think so.

All over the world, the public were sceptical. Some would probably call them intellectually incoherent.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30627377/ns/health-cold_and_flu/

The experts were accused of 'crying swine'

I'm sorry, just which opinions am I meant to have referenced a study to back up?

Why did so many intellectually coherent medical staff refuse to take the swine flu vaccine, when the experts were advising them to take it?

www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Just-30-cent-NHS-staff-taking-swine-flu-jab/article-1925759-detail/article.html

Claig - Do you EVER read the links you post? What point are you trying to make? That article quotes a bunch of lay members of the public, who, like you, seem to believe that when people say that there is a risk of a pandemic killing lots of people, if it doesn't happen that means there was no risk.

When is just means that we were lucky.

Yes my ex-H told me a doctor at the hospital he works in said to him 'I'm not letting that stuff near me'

To be fair I think that doctors sometimes struggle with this whole thing as much as we do. They are under a lot of pressure.

Claig - I have no idea as to the intelectual coherence or otherwise of the people referenced in the Hull article. No one seems to have asked them their reasons.

It's a nice journalisitic leap from the figures to the headline though....

The first link is about the public not believing the coordinated, worldwide campaign over swine flu. The second link is about medical staff from Hull refusing it.

There are hundreds of articles from all over the world of pharmacists refusing it, medical staff refusing it and "bunches of lay members" from China to Mexico refusing it.

Who was lucky? The people who refused it?

'I'm sorry, just which opinions am I meant to have referenced a study to back up?'

You are busy denigrating my opinions but obviously haven't read all of my contributions to the thread, you have not responded to them and have no evidence of your own that would make for a meaningful discussion.

Aye - Doctors didn't have access to special privleged information about last years swine flu vaccine - they made decisions based on the same information as everyone else. Doctors make good/bad decisions in their personal lives at the same rate as the rest of us.

From those articles, it looks like the majority of medical staff didn't take it. Did you yourself take it?

Electra - Where have I denigrated your opinions?

Claig - No I didn't. Because I caught it before the vaccine was out. It wasn't much fun.

How do you know it was swine flu and not flu? Will you take it this year?

Claig - No, from that article, it looks like at a point in time, the majority of staff in one particular area hadn't had the vaccine. Medical staff had no way to make better or worse decisions about this than anyone else did and would have responded to the stories in the media.