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To ask why carbs are The Enemy?

77 replies

MitchyInge · 28/11/2010 11:49

Isn't it just a portion control thing? Or are they actual Evil Doers?

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YuleBeLucky · 28/11/2010 18:13

If individuals feel better cutting carbs out of their diet for whatever reason, that's fine.

But when people peddle this myth that 'low-carbing' is the only/best way to lose weight or that carbs are 'bad', it pisses me off.

I especially cannot stand people who start evangelising about how they lost 3 stone in 6 months eating cheese and butter all day everyday. Great. Enjoy your life being slim and eating cheese for every meal Hmm

nooka · 28/11/2010 18:16

Eating very few large meals is very bad for you. Essentially you are starving your body. People are omnivores, not carnivores, and a more grazing style diet is what our bodies (and brains) are designed for. Research shows that for most people in order to sustain a steady body weight then a diet relatively low in fat, with high quality protein, low GI carbs and plenty of variety is most likley to work (ie a healthy balanced diet). On an individual level people have different reactions to different sorts of food, so quite a few people say that they get bloated if they eat a lot of white bread, but it's more likely that there is something in the bread that doesn't agree with them than the more blanket all carbs are bad. Personally I'd start with switching to home made bread as a first step, as store bread has a fair few processed ingredients.

Besides which carbs are not just found in bread, pasta etc. They are also in fruit and vegetables, and to a lesser degree in diary products and meat. Which is a good thing, as carbohydrates are an essential nutrient.

Ormirian · 28/11/2010 18:17

They have greater impact on your blood sugar. So you can eat a high carb meal and feel full, but within an hour you'll can feel hungry again as your blood sugar level falls.

Protein and fat make you feel full quicker and longer. When I was on a low-carb diet I could eat a piece of cheese for lunch and not want to eat again until late evening. I just did't think about food.

I am quite simply addicted to carbs - I love them and can eat them by the bucketload. So I am better off avoiding them and majoring on protein if I want to lose weight.

I don't think they are the enemy, especially the complex whole grain carbs - but for those of us who find it hard to lose weight through calorie-counting, or following diet plans, cutting out carbs is simple and effective.

iTigress · 28/11/2010 18:18

To be fair I do have to take Fybogel (soluble fibre sachets) once a day to erm keep me regular, but I'm by no means perfect at the diet and if I ate more veggies and drank enough water I'd probably be fine. You've worried me Riven, I've been doing it for 8 months ish so might go for a check-up to make sure all's hunky dory. I feel healthier, but I guess there might be invisible health effects.

Jumpty · 28/11/2010 18:19

There is an abundance of healthy low carb veggies, meat and nuts. Cutting out grains and sugar is not cutting out a food group. Humans can only consume grains after considerable processing - it's a fallacy that we eat "whole" grains. Unlike veggies you can't pull wheat out of the ground and start chewing. It's only because of the industrialisation of food production (including turning wheat into flour) that we have so much of this stuff now available so cheaply. Same with vegetable oils (except olive oil). Without industry and fossil fuels we couldn't have sunflower oil, canola and all that crap in any meaningful quantities. Just because we can make it and consume it doesn't make it healthy and certainly not natural.

Nancy66 · 28/11/2010 18:20

I run a lot - there's no way I could if I didn't eat carbs.

If there's a brown version of the carb: bread, pasta, rice etc then eat that and you'll be fine.

iTigress · 28/11/2010 18:22

I agree re grazing. In fact I get these delivered to my work, they're so much fun :)

Ormirian · 28/11/2010 18:23

nancy - you can run on low-carb. I was running 5 miles or so regularly with no problems. But it takes a while for the initial symptoms to wear off when you start the diet and exercise can feel very very hard to start with. After a while it's fine.

iTigress · 28/11/2010 18:25

Jumpty yy I don't stress too much about 'hidden' carbs in veg, I just avoid grains, potatoes, pasta, rice, bread, cake, crisps - these are unnecessary in my current diet.

Jumpty · 28/11/2010 18:27

Nooka I didn't say I was a carnivore nor that I ate very large meals. I eat loads of veggies and I eat normal sized meals. I'm not starving myself even remotely. How can our bodies be " designed" to eat "foods" that didn't exist throughout almost our entire time on this planet? Our bodies have not evolved since grains became a significant part of our diet.

Nancy66 · 28/11/2010 18:27

Ormirian - I couldn't. I tried. Had no energy, times dropped and took longer to recover.

It's no coincidence that professional athletes have carb heavy diets. research shows that insufficient carbs decrease performance.

iTigress · 28/11/2010 18:28

I blame Kelloggs for our current obsession with cheap grains Grin

iTigress · 28/11/2010 18:32

It makes sense for athletes, who challenge their bodies ludicrous amounts for a few hours at a time. Use them like a performance-enhancing drug.

Like coffee - I avoid it, but use it medicinally on occasion if I'm shattered and need to feel alert. I don't allow myself to become dependent on it.

Jumpty · 28/11/2010 18:41

iTigress, I'm the same. Did you know that Dr Kellogg introduced cereals because he wanted men to eat less protein to reduce their "carnal desires". Soon as I read that I told DH no more cheerios! Actually he's the same as me now so he wouldn't eat them anyway Wink

Btw coming onto this thread is hardly evangelising but since you mention it... My mother had a stroke at age 58, cutting her down in the prime of life and at the peak of her career. She didn't drink, smoked one cigarette in the evening and had her stroke at the gym. She had type 2 diabetes after a lifetime of eating "healthy carbs" (we were the only ones in our school with brown bread - you couldn't get it in our village when I was growing up) even though she ate a lot of vegetables and was a veggie for years when I was a teenager. She'd been duped by the low fat / high carb myth and she's paid for it dearly. High GI carbs cause insulin resistance and inflammation in your body and these can have very serious health consequences.

My paternal grandmother ate much as I do now and lived a healthy life and was slim until her 90s.

I'm 42 and my kids are 9 and 6. I want to see my grandchildren.

hairytriangle · 28/11/2010 19:17

"Carbs aren't bad for you. Fact."

Actually I disagree. Heavily processed white bread, for example, is a carb, and is bad for you. It has very little nutritional value, and it clogs up your digestive system.

MitchyInge · 28/11/2010 19:19

I want to swap names with you hairytriangle

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hairytriangle · 28/11/2010 19:21

High Five to you MitchyInge Grin

kodokan · 28/11/2010 19:28

I started eating like this about 3 months ago, for the following reasons: wanting to lose a little weight (half-1 stone), because BIL had recently been diagnosed as diabetic and I'd been reading up on it, and then out of curiosity - would I lose the weight? Would I have this boundless energy of which people spoke? What exactly would happen if I cut out what to me appeared to be a major food group?

I couldn't be bothered to buy a book and follow an actual plan, which all sounded a bit severe, so I just stopped pasta/rice/potatoes/bread/sugar. And, for the first month, fruit, which from your body's point of view is only a baby step from a tablespoon of Tate and Lyle anyway.

I have lost the weight, about half a stone over 3 months (it's not a quick fix, which should hopefully be better for the future. I'm now a smidge over 10 stone and a size 12/14, which feels about right). And the energy lift was startling - it's the feeling of 'THIS is the fuel that my body's supposed to run on' that's kept me going beyond the initial 'I wonder what...' stage.

For the first couple of months, I was eating about 40-60g of carbs a day; now I would say I'm in the 60-100g range as I've added back in beans, lentils, the odd slice of wholegrain bread with my scrambled eggs, the occasional tablespoon or two of rice with a curry. And yes, even a slice of cake now and then - if I've gone to someone's for coffee, it's churlish to refuse on the grounds of my 'faddy' eating. For most carbing enthusiasts, this wouldn't even register as a low carb regime.

My daily menus look a bit like this:

Breakfast: about 2 large tablespoons of Total Greek yog with dusting of Splenda and chopped nuts or berries/ 2 eggs (scrambled or fried) with 4 rashers of streaky bacon. Porridge or a thin slice of wholegrain toast with the eggs is a semi-low carb option here.

Lunch: bowl of salady things with a protein like feta, chicken, prawns, etc. Semi-low carb option would be a large bowl of bacon and lentil soup.

Dinner: panfried meat with salad or veggies, courgette 'pasta' with sauce, curry on a bed of spinach. Semi-low carbing would include a small amount of wholewheat pasta, a couple of spoons of rice just to soak up the curry sauce or a generous portion of chilli which included kidney beans.

The semi-low carbing options I'm giving here mean that you pick one of these meals per day, not all three! I don't normally need snacks, but might have the odd handful of nuts, a Babybel or an apple. I personally haven't had any problems with constipation, probably because I drink tons of water and am eating large amounts of salad and veg.

To offset the missing carb calories, you need to ensure you're eating protein at virtually every meal and adding enough fats in the form of sauces like butter, cream, creme fraiche, etc. This is the really delicious part of it, but feels very contra everything you've ever done at first. If you're hungry, you're probably not eating enough fats. There's no need to go mad with them - it's not a carte blanche to eat your body weight in cheese - but a liberal hand with the olive oil or chucking in a tablespoon of sour cream, mustard and wine with the steak is necessary.

The downsides are that yes, it's more expensive than padding out the calories with what's effectively fluff, and yes, you have to prepare all your meals from scratch (because the ready meal manufacturers are padding their meals as much as poss with the cheap stuff).

The upsides are a calm and steady return to what should be your body's natural weight (this can take months, but there's no hurry), a general sense of physical wellbeing and a vastly increased energy level with no blood sugar lows. Equilibrium is the word here - never hungry, never sluggish, never feeling like food is in any way controlling your life, telling you to eat, not eat, etc. I'm a huge fan.

nooka · 28/11/2010 19:34

I didn't say that you were a carnivore, but you do starve yourself all morning (from what you said in your post - ie no food until 3pm), and eating a large meal followed by a big gap is a carnivore's eating pattern. It was eating patterns I was talking about, not how processed or not the food stuffs you choose to eat.

The only group of peoples who naturally eat a very low carb diet are the Inuit, purely because very little grows in the far north. Most hunter gatherer groups eat starchy foods, they just don't grow them. Some (like Cassava) need considerable processing.

Personally I suspect a lot of the problem with the Western diet is that we simply eat far too much coupled with very low energy expenditure rates.

Kaloki · 28/11/2010 19:35

Don't know about anyone else, but this thread is just making me crave bread.

Tortington · 28/11/2010 19:39

pmsl kaloki yes!

nooka - your evaluation is right - its not rocket science is it? simple equasion - you eat x much, you excersise x much or not to maintain or lose weight.

i think everyone knows wht to do in theory, eat the right stuff in the right quantities, go for walks, cycle, gym whatever

but doing it....ahh well! when it gets to will power and motivation its a whole new ball game

MitchyInge · 28/11/2010 19:45

I really do want my name to be hairytriangle though. Have never coveted another username before, hopefully that is just a venial sin as am on strict diet of no more than two helpings of mortal sin a day.

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giveitago · 28/11/2010 19:53

Dunno about cutting them out but I've cut out carbs with gluten ie pasta (main culprit) and bread - they'd killed my digestion and I'm so much happier without them. I digest food - I can eat more, no bloating etc plus I'm getting my 5 portions fruit/veg per day - I'm healther for it definately. But it's only because I don't deal with gluten (or perhaps it's wheat) well.

But wouldn't want to be eating bacon and cheese every day for sure.

Surely it's about balance?

Chandon · 28/11/2010 20:00

They are not the enemy to me, they are my friend!

porridge or toast in the morning, pasta or sandwich for lunch, and dinner always includes rice, pasta or potato.

That way, I just eat my meals and do not have weird cravings ( need for sugary snacks etc.), and keep a normal healthy weight without fluctuations.

also gives me energy was I do a fair bit of exercise.

It is DIETS that are the enemy!They make people go all funny about "good" and "bad" foods. Please can we have some common sense, a bit of what you fancy etc. etc.

StrawberryDawn · 28/11/2010 20:14

Christans beware!

While you're thinking Satan is your greatest enemy, you may be consuming carbohydrates without thinking.

Jesus advised us to love our enemy and doesn't that delicious consumption of bread and pasta seem to fit with his teachings?

Repent immediately those of you who aspire to size zero!