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To tell you to spit out your tea?

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theevildead2 · 18/11/2010 18:45

^Received this email today from PETA.co.uk
Really disgusted and I will be boycotting these brands^.

Are you drinking tea right now? If so, I hope it's not a cup of PG tips, Lyons or Lipton tea ? those brands might leave a nasty taste in your mouth by the time you've finished reading this e-mail.

The multimillion-pound company behind PG tips, Lyons and Lipton teas has caused animals to suffer and die so that the company can make health claims about its teas. By supporting PETA's vital work, you can help us put an end to cruel experiments on animals and make a difference in the lives of countless other animals in need. Please make a donation today.

PETA has uncovered numerous cruel tests that the maker of PG Tips, Lyons and Lipton has conducted on animals to evaluate the effects of tea. The following are just a few examples:

  ? Rabbits were fed a high-fat diet, giving them abnormally high cholesterol levels and hardened arteries and then fed tea in their water. After the experiment, the rabbits' heads were cut off.

  ? Mutant Mice bred to suffer bowel inflammation were administered tea ingredients in order to see if there were any effects on their condition. After the test, the mice were killed by neck-breaking or suffocation.

  ? Rats were forced to eat a high-fructose diet, damaging their brains. Others had their abdominal wall punctured and were fed radioactively labelled tea ingredients through a tube in their stomach. All the animals were later killed.

  ? Piglets were exposed to E coli toxins which cause diarrhoea. As part of the tests, experimenters cut the pigs' intestines apart while the animals were still alive. The pigs were then killed. 

Experimenting on animals is not only cruel but also unnecessary. There are cheaper, quicker and more accurate methods available. Yet every three seconds, an animal dies in a European lab.

Typhoo, Twinings, Tesco and Fortnum & Mason have given PETA written confirmation that they don't test their teas on animals ? but the maker of PG tips refuses to end its torment of animals.

Vivisection is a sickening example of exploitation on a massive scale. In 2009, more than 3.5 million individual animals were experimented on in the UK. All but a tiny few are now dead.

Animals in laboratories around the world are abused in horrific ways. Poisoned. Starved. Brain-damaged. Paralysed. Mutilated. Irradiated. Burned. Gassed. Electrocuted. Kittens are deliberately blinded. Mice are made to grow tumours as big as their own bodies. Monkeys have holes drilled into their heads. Sheep and pigs have their skin burned off.

Abuse of animals for tea must stop. You can help by making a donation to support PETA today.

With your support, we can save the lives of millions of individual animals by working to change the way chemicals, drugs and products such as food, beverages and the ingredients that go into them are tested here and across the European Union ? as well as by fighting to improve the treatment of animals all around the world.

PETA and our affiliates are the greatest ? and often the only ? hope for animals facing the horrors of vivisection. We are making progress, but we won't rest until tests on animals are abandoned for good. We know that we can achieve this by using hugely effective and proven campaigning techniques such as the following:

  ? Pressuring companies to ban animal testing: this has been successfully done with more than 1,000 businesses.

  ? Publicising evidence from undercover investigations: the video footage from a recent PETA US investigation of a vivisection laboratory was so powerful that it led to the closing of the laboratory within a week of broadcast of the footage.

  ? Lobbying decision-makers at national and EU levels to stop animal testing: following pressure from PETA, European regulators recently issued new industry guidelines outlining how thousands of companies can avoid animal tests.

  ? Funding research of non-animal test methods: funding allowed for the scientific evaluation of a cruelty-free skin irritation test, which has replaced painful tests that were previously conducted on rabbits.

  ? Educating the public: the horrifying facts about vivisection need to be clearly communicated to the media and the public alike. 

Our success depends on you. The animals who are suffering behind the closed doors of laboratories cannot help themselves. They need us ? and so do countless other animals facing abuse right now. We must do everything in our power to save them. Please donate today.

Very truly yours,

Ingrid E. Newkirk
Founder

PS I know that I will never drink teas from PG tips, Lipton or Lyons until the company behind them drops these deadly tests forever, and I hope that you will join me. PETA has a proven track record of helping animals and can save many more lives with your help today. Thank you for your continued support. It's vital to our success.

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rattling · 19/11/2010 11:07

Doesn't sound to me that those animals had tea tested on them as such - more that they had been bred with diseases prevalent in humans and the efficacy of tea being able to alter the affects of those diseases was being tested.

Basically you need to boycott changing your lifestyle based on the findings of these kinds of studies - carry on eating a high fat, high salt diet, because we know these are dangerous based entirely on this kind of work.

theevildead2 · 19/11/2010 11:14

Rattling, I see what you are saying but I know a high fat high salt diet is bad for me because human beings are forever dying of these things. I don't need someone to forcefeed a rat anyway.

Look the point is yes, PETA do use emotive language that doesn't mean it should be discounted entirely or ignored to prove a point. I don't believe that they made up that these specific brands are using the testing.

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theevildead2 · 19/11/2010 11:16

Peta are lunatics - they want animal ownership banned and would euthanise all pets. Nice eh?

Thats a load of bull shit. As I said I WORKED FOR THEM. And almost bloody all of them had pets. All rescues. They are against breeding.

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rattling · 19/11/2010 11:21

No really - you know a high salt diet is bad for you because scientists told you. And they told you after testing for years on rats and mice. For some reason I feel a high fat diet being bad is more obvious, but again this has been proved by experimentation - especially the fact that olive oil is good and lard is bad (I am paraphrasing a little here).

AnnieLobeseder · 19/11/2010 11:28

Well, I work in scientific research to, and understand that vivisection is a necessary evil... for medical research. And since food impacts on our health, I'm afraid that for me, food studies fall under the category of a necessary use of vivisection.

PETA like to make out that scientists experiment on animals indiscriminately and for fun, which is absolutely not true. I don't know a single researcher who doesn't HATE doing it.

That being said, I've boycotted Unilever for years because I don't think that all the animal research they do is justified. Not all their products are food products, and IIRC, some of their tests on animals are for household chemical etc. I might be worng there, though.

WhyHavePets · 19/11/2010 11:38

Actually they did say something about the fact that people shouldn't keep pets as keeping animals as pets is a form of cruelty. When asked what they would do with the excess animals if pets were banned they responded that they would have to euthanased as keepin ghtem in shelters is also cruel.

The fact that you "worked for them" does not mean you know everything about them or everything they have ever said.

theevildead2 · 19/11/2010 11:53

No but I was in their HQ and I know that the majority of people there kept pets even brought them to work sometimes. Saying that animals should not be kept in shelters forever is not the same as people shouldn't keep pets and all pets should be killed as malificent implied.

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theevildead2 · 19/11/2010 11:58

annielobe i think it is interesting you have boycotted them yourself despite working in animal research. Maybe that will make some of the other people on the thread more likely to listen?

I personally don't agree with any animal reseach however I don't have bad feelings toward people who agree with it for medical research. I only posted the above because it seemed so unnecessary

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Fluteyboots · 19/11/2010 12:11

For all the people talking about body shop, loreal etc, European law states that it is illegal to test cosmetics on animals. And it is illegal to sell or market cosmetic products which have been tested on animals, wherever the testing has taken place. All that stuff about shampoo in rabbits eyes etc is very old. Since this law applies to all manufacturers, they could all make this claim, it is nonsense. Yes some of the ingredients may have been tested on animals in the past, which is why you only ever see the claim referring to products themselves. And those ingredients can be present in body shop, burts bees, whoever. It's usually the manufacturer of the ingredients who would have done the test, for human safety reasons, not the manufacturer of the product, and all the product manufacturers use them.

theevildead2 · 19/11/2010 12:14

What about the cosmetic companies based in America and the UK Flutey where testing is still allowed though?

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Fluteyboots · 19/11/2010 12:19

Law applies to the UK too. If American products have been tested since legislation came in they can't market them here

WhyHavePets · 19/11/2010 12:20

theevildead, did you read my post?? I said that they did say that people shouldn't keep pets. They did say that keeping animals as pets is cruel and they did say that any pets removed, if pets were banned as per their ideal, should be PTS.

So, yes it is exactly what the other poster said, she was correct.

AnnieLobeseder · 19/11/2010 13:48

Just to make it clear, I do not work in "animal research". I work in veterinary virology research, where some people, sometimes, do some animal research. Mostly we work on cell cultures. I have never done, nor do I ever intend to do, animal experimentation myself.

Sorry, that's a distinction that's very important to me.

I'm somewhat worried, theevildead2, that you managed to read "scientific research" as "animal research". That's a widly inaccurate interchangability (if that's a word!).

choufleur · 19/11/2010 14:09

theevildead2 if you don't agree with any animal research yourself (even though you don't have bad feelings towards people who agree with for medical research) does that mean that you never take any medicines?

musicposy · 19/11/2010 14:19

Well, I'm glad you posted it, evildead. :)

Yes, PETA may be extreme and their language emotive, but I think it's good to think about these issues. There's too much that we just don't question. I don't actually believe we have the moral right to treat animals in the way we do. Maybe that's just me.

theevildead2 · 19/11/2010 14:29

I do take medicine chouflour, I can't help the fact that science puts all of its funding in to animal research, who is to say what we would have or not have if scientific research had been conducted differently. Many scientist don't support animal research because they feel our bodies are too different form animals to be accurate. I know many disagree with that but its a personal belief. I am not a scientist so can't pretend to have a really informed opinion.

I belive that animal research should be stopped and I would be happy myself with taking that "risk".

I wouldn't take anything that wasn't vegetarian however such as insulin or (despite being desperate to get this baby out) pessaries with animal ingrediants etc.

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MilkNoSugarPlease · 19/11/2010 14:31

Oh ffs, here we go again with the Poxy PETA...refuse to read stuff by them, half the stuff they spout is crap

Am almost tempted to.start drinking pg tips now....

switchtvoffdosomelessboring · 19/11/2010 15:16

Theevildead2, you wouldn't take insulin? What not even if you became diabetic and would die otherwise?

Seriously, you'd deprive your child of a mum on a point of principle?

And what if your child got ill and needed medicine, are you going to let him/her die rather than let them have life saving tested on animal medicine?

choufleur · 19/11/2010 15:29

I hope you never get diabetes then theevildead2, or your children. Or anything else that is derived from animals (can't think of anything at the mo but there must be loads of things).

Really? You'd rather die?

FrameyMcFrame · 19/11/2010 15:35

But did the irritable bowel conditions improve in the mutant mice after drinking tea?
That's what I want to know.

theevildead2 · 19/11/2010 15:55

I have PCOS which make me high risk for diabetes I'm also overweight (which I'm working on) I know it could be a worry. I know woudln't take it.

I wouldn't feel it was my choice to deny the baby it if it needed something though. That said Dh would take that out of my hands if I did anyway, I'm fairly sure.

Still this is all a bit off topic as I'm just trying to get you guys to swap to a better class of tea not deny you lifesaving drugs!

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switchtvoffdosomelessboring · 19/11/2010 16:23

Ok lets take a step back from the life saving drugs and discuss these mutant mice.

Lets however, call them pedigree mice. They have been specially bred to have have similar symptons to IBS. They probably look very like normal mice and are kept in a pretty normal sized mouse cage that you would keep a pet in. They have access to food and water, adequate bedding and some stuff to chew.

So the mice are separated into two groups, one acts as the control. The other is given (probably by injection by a trained person) the compound the scientists think might help ibs.

The mice are them put back in the cage and left alone. The mice were them humanely killed and their guts removed and experiments done to compare the two groups.

switchtvoffdosomelessboring · 19/11/2010 16:23

Doesn't sound that bad does it?

FrameyMcFrame · 19/11/2010 17:22

And did the tea help at all?

TinselinaBumSquash · 19/11/2010 17:34

PG Tips is the nicest tasting one... and they gave me a Christmas Monkey... Bear