to think creationism has no part in education in 2010?

[SantasMooningArse]

OK so I know I will be shot down under the 'don;t send your kids to a faith school' rule but to clarify:

A) I am a Christian; just of the friends variant rather than mainstream. I have a religion degree, I am far from anti- faith, just anti extreme.

B) It's the only scholl in walking distance and when we moved here we didn;t have a car I could use; it was also the only school with a space as we moved mid year. It i 3 minutes away.

C) I would dearly love my others to go to a different school but can't co-ordinate the pick ups due to being aprt dependent on SN transport for another child.

D) It's technically not a Church school but a VA one.

Anyway just received Governor's report which comes with a report each year from the local Diocese which is linked to their funding from a will. The report states (quote) '
The 6/7 creation myth seemed to rear it's head agin and I do wonder whether teaching as fact something we know to ne myth is the right thing?'

Later on under things to consider it says 'Crreation?'

I have no issues with it being taught as part of a wider 'some Christians believe...' thing but when ds2 was an infant his teacher told hom Mummy and Daddy were wrong about evolution; I had thought it was one long retired extreme though not general schooling.

I would much prefer ds4 to attendf the under subscribed school a few miles away (DS£ attends the attached SNU so know it well) but can't work out transport. I do find creationism a step too far though.

I don't see whats wrong with it being taught provided evolution/darwinism/big bang theory are being taught as well

They're not Vixel; theya re being taught as absolute fact.

That's my issue- your option not a problem for me.

I think even a faith school in the UK should not be teaching creationism as "fact". Most Christians don't believe it as literal truth, but as an allegory. If they are not doing this while teaching evolution/big bang, then this is wrong and I would complain. Especially if teachers are telling your DC that you are wrong about evolution. FFS, this isn't the bible belt.

And as you said, you aren't there out of choice.

I can;t euphemia: seriouslyc annot, s in autistic kids in two different schools (one this, witha ssigned funding and TA, one bussed out to other specialist school) to cooordinate, DH on shifts, youngest at CM that picks up from school. And we can;t move as we just signed a new year lease last week.

School Superintendent on "The Simpsons" episode #1
'Prayer has no place in the public schools, just like facts have no place in organized religion'.

Well the governors are obviously considering their position according to the report. Why not talk to the head or one of the governors and voice your concerns.

I gave my kids the "either or" option when they were little, i.e., some people believe God made the world in seven days and others believe that there was a big bang of gases etc etc. When they were at Infants, they liked the God option, now they go for big bang/we're descended from a common ancestor of monkeys option.

I love the Simpsons for stuff like that.

It should be taught as a Creation Myth alongside others - Ancient Greek etc, in the context of stories, not alongside scientific theories.

I'd have a big problem with it

I am with you JamieLeeCurtis.. It is like teaching them that little elves live at the bottom of the garden as if it is a fact! I was indoctrinated at Catholic school primary and secondary and it makes it more difficult to be rational and analytical when your fed bullshit from such a young age.

It is horrifying that schools are teaching creationism as part of the science curriculum. I would take it up with the LEA, and if necessary the local paper.

It doesn't matter if it a faith school or not. Creationism should not be taught as scientific fact, because it is neither scientific, nor factual.
I'd be very concerned by this in a British school.

My girls are at a C of E VA school and they are definitely NOT taught creationism as fact - the creation story sits firmly in RE, where it belongs. The OP's school is bang out of order.

Mine go to faith school and I've never heard any creationism taught in science. Is creationism taught in science or RE?? - makes all the difference.

Creationism does not actually go against science... and goes to another thread...

Creationism used to be taught in the Religion/Science module of the RE legacy GCSE spec. It contrasted the accepted Big Bang view with creationism, and the students all believed Big Bang, rather than creationism.

Santas, given your background, you are in the ideal position to refute creationism as you have enough theological knowledge to blow holes in the argument.

I believe in creation and find the opposite - I hate the fact that evolution is taught as fact. And worse than that, it's Darwin's evolution which is taught as fact which has been disproved long ago.

I would never shove my beliefs down anyone's throat so find it hard when evolution is presented to my children as the only factual explanation of how we came to be here.

Well the top scientists are now not convinced there was a big bang, so goodness knows anymore. I think all ideas should be discussed with children on how the universe began tbh.

I think it should have a part of education still, as we're supposedly a Christian country, so it should be discussed.

Evolution is fact.

Creationism is part of certain religious beliefs, therefore should be taught in RE along the lines of "this is what some people believe" if done this way I do not have a problem with it being taught in schools. However, it has no place in the science curriculum.

Went to Catholic infants/juniors: we were taught Creationism as fact.
Then went to Catholic Secondary school: biology, chemistry, physics.
We all went, hey, hang on a minute...!
And the only way you could get sex education was to do Childcare & Development GCSE.
Don't know what it's like now for that kind of thing in Catholic schools, but I tell you this: it didn't do a lot for MY faith, and I was determined that DH and I would NOT have a religious wedding ceremony and the DC would NOT
be christened.
My reason being: I believe in God.
I DON'T believe in religion: that's all been made up by humans, who are NOT to be trusted!
OK - rant over!

No, really, VictorianIce, it's not. It's a theory.

The leaps which are made in the evolutionary record are staggering. Many, many top scientists actually believe in creation.

I'm not necessarily saying a full on done in 7 days creation but they believe that a big bang cannot have started what we now live in.

After all, the collider in Switzerland has not produced anything useful out of it's 'big' bang has it?

I personally go with the "buggered if I know" theory.