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to think that anyone who drives while over the limit is scum!!

95 replies

memoo · 05/11/2010 09:59

I am so angry and upset!

Just found out that my friends DS was knocked over yesterday evening by a woman who was pissed! She mounted the kerb and knocked him from his bike.

He lost a couple of teeth and is very bruised but thank God he is ok.

How the hell can anyone think it is ok to get in a car when they're drunk? WTF do they think they are playing at. They should be banned from driving for life.

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Anniegetyourgun · 05/11/2010 10:02

YANBU. Thank all the fates the boy was ok.

JarethTheGoblinKing · 05/11/2010 10:02

Oh thank god he's alright..

YANBU in the slightest. My great aunt was killed by a drunk driver Angry

GiddyPickle · 05/11/2010 10:05

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BikeRun40NextWeek · 05/11/2010 10:06

YANBU at all. I have no personal experience of this, but YANBU at all.

memoo · 05/11/2010 10:10

Can you imagine the affect this is going to have on him, poor little thing is going to be terrified of playing out again. He was only on the pavement outside his house. Friend is absolutly devestated Sad

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FreudianSlimmery · 05/11/2010 10:12

YANBU but I don't think you really needed that confirmed. how bloody awful and thank goodness hes ok. Makes me quite scared tbh, anything like that could happen at any time it seems :(

memoo · 05/11/2010 10:14

It certainly makes you think about how fragile life is. Our DC are so very precious. I feel like going and getting mine home from school and not letting them out of my sight for the next 10 years.

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BookcaseFullofBooks · 05/11/2010 10:16

YADNBU
Bless him. I'm glad he's okay.
Did she stop or the police get involved?

TrillianAstra · 05/11/2010 10:16

Children are often more resilient than you think - he may get over it more quickly than you do - make sure that you being afraid doesn't make him afraid to play out.

Glad he is ok - were the teeth baby teeth or permanent teeth?

curlymama · 05/11/2010 10:18

YADNBU.

I hope the police are involved somehow. Thankfully the police and courts do seem to come down fairly hard on people who drink drive.

memoo · 05/11/2010 10:20

The woman did stop and my friends neighbour phoned the police and an ambulance. FWIW the woman was apparently really upset at what she had done. She was arrested.

They were his baby teeth thankfully.

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Chil1234 · 05/11/2010 10:24

Drink drivers are criminals... they're knowingly breaking the law. She'll get a hefty fine & a lengthy ban. At least she didn't leave the scene of the accident and at least she seems remorseful. What time of day did the accident happen?

TrillianAstra · 05/11/2010 10:25

Phew - v glad it's baby teeth.

tots2ten · 05/11/2010 10:27

Thank god he is alright.

YADNBU

memoo · 05/11/2010 10:28

It was about 4pm. He was having a little play out after school, up and down the pavement outside his house on his bike. My friend was in and out of the house checking on him. The street is pretty quiet but their house is on a corner, looks like the woman had come round the corner too fast and ended up mounting the kerb.

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Chil1234 · 05/11/2010 10:31

If she was over the limit in the afternoon, she's probably an alcoholic. It's a big problem... Unlike the rest of us who confine drinking to nights out or a glass at home in the evening and do the whole designated driver/get a cab thing, your daytime drinker/alcoholic thinks they're fully in control, behaving normally and then jumps in the car to pop to the shops or pick up the kids.

memoo · 05/11/2010 10:38

Your probably right chil. Was just thinking can you imagine what it would be like having to live with the fact that you had knocked a child over and killed them. Most people would struggle to deal with that

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memoo · 05/11/2010 10:38

you're

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ayjayjay · 05/11/2010 10:43

Chil1234 not necessarily, she would only have needed to have a glass of wine over lunch to put her over the limit. This is why I think the drink drive limit should be zero units to stop people thinking one or two drinks is ok.

SumfingNew · 05/11/2010 10:44

Whilst this will no doubt sound like playing devil's advocate, I genuinely disagree with the drink-driving laws. I abhor dangerous driving ? but how that driving has become dangerous (whether it is as a result of inebriation, talking to a child in the back of the car, texting on a mobile phone or BlackBerry) is, to my mind, less relevant than the fact that someone has allowed themselves to become distracted from what is, in essence, a potentially very dangerous activity.

In other words, being drunk/texting etc etc should be taken into account when determining the level of punishment ? i.e. it could be seen as an aggravating factor ? but it should not be illegal to drink and drive per se. I do not like the law being fashioned in such a way as to make it harder to break a law that already exists, because it reduces our capacity to demonstrate responsibility.

Driving dangerously is irresponsible and, when it causes an accident, should be punished. When alcohol is found to be the cause, then the punishment should be severe (life imprisonment where death has resulted, I suggest). But to simply drive home from the pub, drunk?and hit no-one and cause no damage, should not in itself be a crime.

No-one has been hurt and to argue that someone might have been is very dangerous. Lots of things might happen?but to punish people for possible harm is wrong and actually encourages us all to act irresponsibly because it removes our opportunity for deciding for ourselves. Allow us to regulate ourselves and punish us when we clearly fail to limit our own excesses by causing harm to others.

To return to the examples already discussed ? in my Brave New World, each of these should have been punished far more severely?but had no harm or damage been caused to anyone else, the people concerned would have committed no offence. The value of deterrence has long been forgotten, alas?and this should be re-introduced to our criminal justice system.

Chil1234 · 05/11/2010 10:47

"but it should not be illegal to drink and drive per se"

You've made this point before and it's still stupid. It's illegal to drive a car with poor eyesight. If you are stopped and your eyesight is shown to be inadequate then why let that person carry on and possibly cause an accident. It's illegal to drive a car that is unroadworthy... again, if stopped, you will be removed from the road where you are a hazard.

So if you're found to be driving a car and your ability is impaired by alcohol why should anyone wait until an actual accident has happened before taking action against you?

memoo · 05/11/2010 10:48

Sumfing, I couldn't disagree more

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curlymama · 05/11/2010 10:49
Shock

You actually sound like you are being serious sumfingnew!

Do you really think it's ok to knowingly do something that increases your risk of an accident and harming other people? Really?

If the gun laws were different, do you think it would be ok for me to stand on my front doorstep firing a machine gun, as long as nobody was in the way?

cikals · 05/11/2010 10:51

YADNBU I hate people that drink and drive. I remember my brother was at my house and he'd had quite a lot to drink and said he was going to drive home, I actually hid his car keys so he had to get a taxi home and "found" them again in the morning.

ayjayjay · 05/11/2010 10:52

sumfingnew unsuprisingly I disagree. I generally take a libertarian attitude and believe in preserving individual freedoms. However if you drink and drive you greatly increase the likelyhood that you will have an accident that could main or kill someone else. There needs to be consequences for taking this risk, regardless of the outcome, to act as an effective deterrent.

Your argument is akin to me saying it would be
ok for me to fire a gun randomly into a crowed room as long as the bullet didn't hit anyone.

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