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to want to kick the bastard who shot this stag

116 replies

OnEdge · 27/10/2010 04:37

Mindless cunt

OP posts:
onmyfeet · 27/10/2010 05:45

:( Really cruel, and quite horrible to have mounted heads. So barbaric. Once, while on vacation, as we were driving in northern Ontario, we came to a headless moose laying on the side of the road. Very upsetting. Someone must of killed it just for the head.

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OnEdge · 27/10/2010 06:02

That is horrific !!

OP posts:
woopsidaisy · 27/10/2010 07:17

I don't agree with shooting animals myself,but many people do.And I would rather it was done by people with a licence,who know what they are doing,than some loon mucking about and causing suffering.This animal didn't suffer,he was shot by a professional,who was out doing his "sport"...nothing illegal.But it is sad to see such a beautiful animal shot down like that.

buttonmoon78 · 27/10/2010 07:40

I don't get the deal with mounted heads myself - quite ugly and unnecessary.

These animals however, are not pets. They are wild animals and if we want to live the way we are accustomed to live then they must be controlled for the benefit of the whole herd. That is the meaning of animal conservation. It's been practised for thousands of years all across the world. It that then gave spin offs such as head mounting etc.

I have no problem with shooting etc at all provided it's done by good shots (most are as they would not show their faces if they weren't) and it is done under the auspices of legal animal conservation.

BeenBeta · 27/10/2010 07:59

It may have been culled legally with permission of the landowner and in any case deer are culled to keep herds healthy.

GoreRenewed · 27/10/2010 08:18

Yes culling happens. This was not a stag that needed culling - he was top of the heap, a perfect specimen, would have remained 'emperor' for many years before. And he was killed at the rong time.

He was killed because some inadequate wanker wanted the 'honour' of killing the biggest stag.

And yes beta, it was legal, that doesn't make it right or for the benefit of the herd. Money talks.

bumperella · 27/10/2010 09:08

Lots of areas rely on this kind of tourism - deer stalking, grouse shooting, salmon fishing, etc. Certainly deer farming needs the extra revenue from stalking to keep going.
The animal would arguably suffer no more - and likely, far less- than most things killed in an abatoir. Even if you see it as being different as it's for pleasure, then maybe consider that a lot (and am sure veggies would say all) of meat consumption is not for "survival" - it's becuase people enjoy eating it.
I don't see a huge moral difference between killing solely for the pleasure of meat eating and killing partly for the meat and partly as part of the pleasure of a day shooting or fishing.

Vallhalloween · 27/10/2010 09:20

Oh it's legal, so that's okay then.

Bollocks! The OP is right, the killer is a mindless cunt.

So's smacking a child, which is far less of an act of aggression than killling a creature, but see how the reaction changes if I were to post that I smack mine!

I agree though that there is no difference in killing for meat or for "pleasure" though I wonder about the mental state of someone who gets pleasure out of seeing something bleed and die.

I agree too that there is a need for culling... the culling of people who carry out acts such as the murder of this harmless animal.

Just hand me the gun.

Havingkittens · 27/10/2010 10:07

Yes, there is a need for culling but it is done in a way as to protect the species and give it a good future - ie. animals that are prime breeding specimen are meant to be left to survive so that the species can continue successfully.

This deer was killed for glory by some selfish, short sighted idiot (obviously when I say short sighted I don't mean that in terms of eyesight but in terms of the future of the breed!) who should have his license taken away. People who are allowed to shoot animals should respect and understand nature and not do it for the wrong reasons or at the wrong time.

Culling is for the sake of the breed not some idiot's wall.

Miggsie · 27/10/2010 10:10

YANBU, I hate men who express themselves by killing animals.

The poor deer had no chance against a piece of metal going at 800 miles an hour used by a coward with a telescopic rifle. I hope the man chokes on his next piece of venison.

Simbacat · 27/10/2010 10:14

I would blame the owner who sold the right to shoot it. The person who shot it only bought it because it was available- if it hadn't been him then someone else would have bought the right to shoot it.

edam · 27/10/2010 10:21

I'd blame both of them.

Kittens and gore are right, this isn't about conservation, it's about greed, aggression and cruelty. And willful destruction. What kind of monster looks at a beautiful wild animal and can only think of exterminating it?

Agree with Miggsie, hope the fucker chokes on his next taste of venison.

Rindercella · 27/10/2010 10:24

YANBU.

I have no problem with hunting, but to kill this stag was just mindless.

GrandhighBOOba · 27/10/2010 10:52

Thing is, we do need to cull deer, as we killed off their natural predator, the wolf. If we don't, then deer will die of starvation instead, as our use of the land doesn't provide endless resources for a large deer population. However, natural predators don't on the whole kill off healthy stags in their prime, they go for the weaker members of the herd, which keeps the population of deer healthy.

So, yes, to kill this magnificent creature years too soon, and in the middle of the mating season, was a terrible thing to do. Removing the genes of the strongest from the pool is terrible, and as has been said above, all to stoke the ego of some idiot city boy on a hunting jolly. I don't believe that any person professionally involved in the deer hunting business would have committed such a stupid piece of mindless vandalism.

BTW, I'm not generally in favour of blood sports, before I get royally flamed, but the responsible hunting of deer, when the meat and hide will be put to use, and when done respectfully to control the population is an exception.

kreecherlivesupstairs · 27/10/2010 10:57

As long as the meat was eaten I really don't see the problem. It wouldn't be my cup of tea to have a head on the wall and if MrKreech came home with one he would be told off.

southeastastra · 27/10/2010 10:59

it's very sad - they were saying they should have let the deer go the season

yes they should be culled but it was completely wrong timing as grandhigh says. upset me alot for some reason

Havingkittens · 27/10/2010 11:57

"As long as the meat was eaten I really don't see the problem"

Kreecher, have you not read the rest of the thread? It's about understanding and respecting nature and the providence of a species. If the deer was killed after the mating season it would also be a tragedy but less so than at this time. Such a prime specimen should have been allowed to mate, preferably for a few years to come yet.

There was a scene in the film "The Queen" where something very similar happened and the Queen reacted with sorrow. Now, the royal family are not exactly known for their anti shooting stance so you can see the parallels here. Anyone who is allowed to kill animals legally should be granted permission only on the basis of their respect for nature. Money should not be able to buy a life, it's barbaric.

marge2 · 27/10/2010 12:00

I am guessing he, and not a weaker/younger stag was shot right now as his antlers are huge at this time of year. If he was the biggest red deer stag in the UK, then his will have probably been the biggest antlers in the UK. They fall off every year and grow back don't they?? So if they want the head WITH the antlers for the wall then they have to shoot him right when they are at their biggest - i.e during the rutting season when he uses them for fighting.

I don't have a problem with deer culling when it is really needed, and the right ones are culled. (i.e old and weak) but this seems to have been done purely for "glory". I tend to agree with OP - Mindless!!

PortBlacksandsDoppelganger · 27/10/2010 12:08

Mindless Vicious Cunt! and yes i know they have to be culled etc. but this was like a fish in a barrel. what sort of person gets a kick from shooting a beautiful animal in a country park? It's not as if he's spent months scouring the savannah...

Hope his dick falls off Angry

kreecherlivesupstairs · 27/10/2010 12:10

Sorry Havingkittens, I have got a tooth abcess and feel like shit. I haven't read the rest of the thread. I do think there are more important things to spend my time fretting about than a deer. Sure it's sad that such a marvellous sized beast was killed, but compared to the little girl I read about whose mother doused her in acid, it means very little to me.

POFAKKEDDthechair · 27/10/2010 12:11

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PortBlacksandsDoppelganger · 27/10/2010 12:13

Oh and the body was left so the meat wasn't eaten.

mutable · 27/10/2010 12:14

I'll bet it was a hedge fund manager....

SpringHeeledJack · 27/10/2010 12:17

me and dp discussed this one last night

we decided you should only be allowed to hunt deer (and call it 'sport' Hmm) if you do it on horseback, and with a bow and arrow. A bit like Henry the Somethingth.

Otherwise you are a cunt. And a pretty lazy one to boot. Where's the skill in filling a beast full of lead?

GoreRenewed · 27/10/2010 12:25

Compared to a mother dousing her child in acid everything pales into insignificance but so what? There will always be something more important happening somewhere to someone.