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AIBU to think that Labour are to blame

72 replies

Bucketcrutch · 20/10/2010 01:32

and the Tories are doing their best to put things right?

get well soon Maggie, we could do with you now.

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pallette · 20/10/2010 10:23

Shirley cutting the deficit will help the economy by ensuring that international markets do not lose confidence in our ability to pay our debts and keep our credit rating at AAA, which is crucial.

ShirleyGarrote · 20/10/2010 10:27

hahahahaha

Nice one!Grin

Oh, God you're not serious are you?

slug · 20/10/2010 12:00
DialMforMother · 20/10/2010 12:14

Nerdyface - right behind you.

DialMforMother · 20/10/2010 12:28

Cuts to public services are a great idea. Poor kids don't need teaching anyway. What good is a degree going to do them when they're blacking Dave's hearth and dying in childbirth?

NerdyFace · 20/10/2010 12:33

Yeah! To quote "The Dead Kennedys" why doesn't he just rename his policies "Kill The Poor"?

I mean, should the rich become cold, why not throw a few poor kiddies onto the fire?

That gap under your door letting in cold air? stuff a poor child into it!

Armed Forces? Who needs em! When the enemy attack just throw poor people at them!

The Tories - "We hate the fucking poor"tm

WhatWillSantaBring · 20/10/2010 13:12

The deficit also costs us more than the entire defence budget in interest payments alone. Prima facie, the quicker you cut the deficit, the less it will cost you.

Recession - yes, global. Deficit - well, in 2007 it was already at around £700 billion and IIRC, things were booming. Yet Labour inherited a balanced budget in 1997 so a £900bn deficit requiring massive cuts is definitely caused by overspending - otherwise we'd have a deficit a fifth of the size. Although it has to be said that the right wing government (Rep) in the US were the ones in charge of profligate spending, having inherited a balanced budget from the Democrats, so its not just a Labour party failing - other governments made the same mistake too!

Surely there is nothing inherently wrong with having a different ideology - traditional conservative ideology is that individuals make better choices so want lower taxes and lower public spending, traditional socialist ideology is that the state makes the best spending decisions. To accuse people of "hating poor people" just because they believe in the former is, frankly, a pathetic argument totally lacking in any reasoning. Personally I'm glad I live in a democracy where I get to vote for socialism or conservatism. Even if that means that sometimes I am stuck with a government who backs an ideology I don't like.

Cuts to the public services are desparately needed in some areas - where an NHS "manager" who couldn't manage his/her way out of a paper bag earns a six figure salary and a nurse is struggling to get by? Where a council employs someone as a "walking advisor" (as in, rambling, footpaths etc, not as in a disability assistant), pays them £30k and tells them they don't even need to go on any walks!! People with six figure pensions who retired at 55 and had 8 weeks paid holiday a year? Plenty of waste and cuts that need to be made that could be managed without impacting on "poor people" - lets just hope that the departments sorting out the detail target the waste and not the essentials!

1234ThumbScrew · 20/10/2010 13:13

YABVVU

Rentaghoste · 20/10/2010 13:17

I notice Gordon Brown is keeping his head right down - what an idiot he was!

ColdComfortFarm · 20/10/2010 13:18

I am horrified by the extent of the debt and the deficit. Brown recently admitted that he thought it was a good idea to keep borrowing more and more without a thought of paying it back. I suppose he thought the boom times would never end and the economy would continue to expand meaning there was always money to pay the growing interest payments. 'no more boom and bust' etc. But of course it wasn't like that. THe global recession wasn't his fault, but the fact that we had no reserves at all, just horribly expensive debt has to be. I did not realise how committed to borrowing he was - how many of us did? Looking back, it seems like a collective madness.

Prinnie · 20/10/2010 14:07

The bankers have to take their responsibility for their role in taking us into recession, but let's steer clear of the scapegoating. Pre-recession the city of London accounted for 25% of the Corporation Tax take by the exchequer - perhaps that should be remembered a little more often. Britain would have been worse off for a long time without the financial sector. Though clearly, it would be unhelpful to be so reliant on one sector in the future.

As regards the deficit. Even before the recession Labour were running the economy with the largest structural deficit of the G7 countries. The bottom line is Gordon Brown and Tony Blair spent £4 for every £3 the exchequer brought in. If you or I spent like that we'd be in trouble and the UK economy is just the same.

The legacy of the last government is that we are wasting £120,000,000 a day just on interest on the national debt. That is more than we spend on the NHS or Education.

Bucketcrutch · 20/10/2010 19:36

DiamMforMother - it would appear that your cuts in public services that would lead to kids being untaught(is that a word?) didnt come true, an increase in education funding what are the chances eh? what are you going to moan about next

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Mumcentreplus · 20/10/2010 19:43

I dont agree...

smallwhitecat · 20/10/2010 19:47

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MarionCole · 20/10/2010 19:55

Osborne was christened Gideon, not George

DialMforMother · 20/10/2010 19:57

Bucketcrunch no it's not a word.

Smallwhitecat I was referring to a previous poster on this thread. I have no idea why 'lefties' you know 'go on' about Gideon. Maybe they don't and you're just confused.

smallwhitecat · 20/10/2010 20:00

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longfingernails · 20/10/2010 20:03

YANBU. Gordon Brown thought he had abolished boom and bust, and so spent like crazy before the financial crisis, leaving a massive structural component of the deficit. He also created a system of tick-box regulation instead of smart regulation of the banks.

Bucketcrutch · 20/10/2010 20:07

Good response, no its not a word but no reply about the fact the education budget wasnt cut so the little darlings will still get an educashun.

No jobs to goto when they finish school but at least they can read/write

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DialMforMother · 20/10/2010 20:35

Let's wait and see what the Tories have up their sleeves for schools. In particular schools which serve economically deprived areas. If, after four years, it turns out that they've improved life chances for students on free school meals ( which is the best indicator we currently have of socio economic background) I will personally eat my hat, your hat and the hats of everyone else on this thread. Hell, I'll round up my Argentinian friend Carolina and have her tortured for you 'cos it's never gonna happen.

Tiredmumno1 · 20/10/2010 20:45

I think they are all to bloody blame, they are as bad as one another.

i was watching them live this afternoon, they remind me of a bunch of hyena sounding nodding dogs.

accusations and blame flying around everywhere, they were acting like children.

ImGideonsMumAndIHateHimToo · 21/10/2010 10:47

'Carl Emmerson, acting director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies, said it remained to be seen whether the government could achieve its ambitious objectives. He said: "A key lesson from the last Labour government and the last Conservative government is that the public finances often do not behave as expected."

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Doesn;t that suggest LAbour wenre't entirely to blame and that the fiscal conditions were unpredictable?

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