to think that the Goverment's plans for Social Housing are disastrous

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Are beloved Govt are talking about charging 80 - 90% of market rents for social housing.

I'm not in favour of ridiculously low rents for council tenants, but won't this simply place thousands more people in the Housing Benefit trap of not being able to afford to work?

Uncontrolled property prices have contributed significantly to our society of haves and have nots and private rental prices must be keeping so many people chained to Housing Benefit. The average price for a 3 bedroom property in our area is around the £1000 per month mark. How can that be affordable to someone on a low wage? Ditto £900 PCM.

How will this work apart from going back to some Victorian era of cramming families into one bedroom?

Gin anyone?

There is already huge devide between "have and have nots"
It is the widest ever in the postr-war history and it happend under NewLab watch

Those in work have not

Those out of work - have

At least when it comes to housing

Skimming through the thread as I have to go out in a mo...

I work in social housing. There are plenty of arguments for ending 'tenancy for life'. But the main thing that those of you already in social housing need to know is that

NONE OF THIS WILL AFFECT EXISTING TENANTS .

You have nothing to fear at the moment. I don't know whether this will apply to changes to tenancy eg if you exchange for a different property.

There will be no rioting in the streets!

Threetimespink - if you are going to insult people you could at least do so in a way that makes sense. Nothing worse than an aggregating troll that can't even be bothered to make their rants make sense.

salizchap - quite.

I really hate the assumption from some quarters that to be unemployed, living in social housing or in receipt of benefit means you're a lazy scrounger.

There are thousands of people in social housing because they're on a very low income, because of family circumstance and who are absolutely not living a better life than someone who's working. In fact I have genuinely yet to meet someone who is having a better life on benefits than when earning.

The cases listed in the DM or other craprag are always the extremes - after all their readership couldn't indulge in their sanctimonious superiority complexes when reading a story about someone on benefits or in social housing struggling to feed their children or to find work.

Just stepping off my soapbox now....

ok,so what will be the reality for this grinding poverty so many of us will now face (so people like pink feel superior?)

will we be reduced to stealing food to feed our children? because if there is NO work now,what about after the cuts and further job losses? theres no chance to better ourselves....what should be do pink????

If buy to let landlord invests his money in a property then the income received from rent needs to cover the mortgage payments on the property.

It is an economic fact, that people are not going to invest if the figures don't add up.

Market forces dictate the rental prices.

Landlords cannot just charge what they feel like.

I earn 13000 a year and my rent is 1250 a month so am still stuck on partial HB. Luckily my LL is going to reduce it to 1150 when the tenancy is renewed. I told her I'd be leaving otherwise and she didn't want it empty. Still, by the time I've paid the rent, I have barely enough to live on. I am taking out Provident loans to fill my LL's pockets. I do have prospects, will be earning more as I work my way up, but for now, I'm swimming in cack.

Raw abuse and sheer inability to make a point - must the outcome of leaving of benefits in the third generation

Is this you ttp?

O hi three times pink,
I live in HA property, single mum, just got back into Full time work and DS in nursery, I don't have TV, therefore I don't pay for Sky or licence, my internet is a local wi-fi service provided for free, if my rent goes up...

I would probably have to find a landlord that would let me move into a super cheap flatshare, although, no, they don't actually accept children!

i did make that point earlier

most landlords wont accept dss/children/pets

The whole thing is a farce. These people are the Sid James and Kenneth Williams of politics. Except with sinister hearts

I wonder what will happen when :
Social Housing Rent increases this significantly and HB is capped to a level where it doesn't cover all of the rent and all of the people who are being put on JSA who were previously on ESA, added to the long list of unemployed who already cannot find work, and all the single parents who are being put on JSA when their DC start school, even though there are not enough jobs out there, I wonder how catastrophic this will be if all of those people claiming JSA cannot find work within 12 months!!!!!

10% of £900/£1000 per month will be more than these people can afford, and that's not including the possibility that HB may not cover their whole rent for the first 12 months anyway.

Typical Conservatives imo.

Please build more houses up North. We are like sardines down here.

On a New Homes Focus group for my local HA. Fed up looking at tiny little flats built above shops with no parking that whole families are supposed to call home. It's crap and all I get is "we have a huge housing need". Yes so build bloody houses that people can actually "live" in.

Spikeycow, what would you say the market value of your house is? If you don't mind me asking.

Seems nobody here has any better suggestions then?

I don't know it's a 2 bed house with a boxroom, Greater London. Parking space, and back garden. I don't know about house prices

'Please build more houses up North. We are like sardines down here.'

Yes, to go with all the jobs up here, too.

You think they don't build flats up here?

LOL.

Best line I heard in a while was a member of Scottish Parliament, after touring a newly built block of 'apartments': 'They're for single people who hate to cook.'

Please could someone look at my question of 20:17? I really would be interested to know the answer :)

I just wondered, if it is in London then your LL probably has to charge that to cover the mortgage.

It does seem harsh.

Everyone assumes those working in London are on higher wages, obviously not so.

My DD has a similar house in Essex and her rent is £525.

I'd move out of London, except, we used to live in temporary hostels when I was homeless, my eldest has lived in 7 places in 10 years due to being moved from pillar to post by councils and previous LLs. This is only their second primary but I want to settle somewhere.

Tangle, I didn't answer as I am not completely sure.

I know, because my DH's work is connected to the building trade, that they made all builders include social housing on all of their new build sites.

I know they did make it easier for people on HB to rent privately.

This is the worse idea I've heard yet, it solves absolutely nothing and creates more stress and strain for ordinary people.
The only thing I can hope is if they decide to regulate private rentals, landlords decide buy to let is no longer profitable they will flood the market with properties and those who still have a job might be able to buy a home for 3 times their salary.
However most LL seem to think the longer term is worth the short term losses so we need either a landlord tax or interest rates to shoot up which again will cripple ordinary people.

It will reduce private rents towards pre LHA levels and will make housing (both - rented and owned) more affordable.

Yeah, I just bet the Tories will regulate private rentals... no, they are just going to make the housing crisis ten times worse and leave thousands of people - even families with small children - homeless.

How low can the Tories and Lib Dems sink? So much for all that crap about 'we aren't the nasty party any more'. And all that Lib Dem crap about having a social conscience. And the other steaming pile about creating jobs - this will devastate the building industry.

Can't see Dave offering his old house for social rental, oddly enough.