Sterilisation for money?

[Theincrediblesulk1]

I know there is another thread on this, but the op makes no good points!

Ok the scenario.

Heroin addict goes out and hits an old lady over the head, takes her handbag and runs off. But is caught. Should they go to prison? I think most would say yes
So they are responsible for their actions in that account.

So why are they unable to make a decision to take £200 to be sterilised, If they are unfairly tempted by money, the same logic could surely be applied to any crime they commit.

I am all for this actually, i like the lady don't give a shit about the addict, they are big enough and ugly enough to stick a needle in their arm, so they can jog on. I am all for the children!

AIBU?

tfw you are talking nonsense, since when was being a heroin addict akin to being black/white/jewish or poor come to that ?

I dont belive in prosecution either. I think help towards recovery is the answer. I just cant comdemn people like you all do.

Funny, Im saying that no one should decide who cant and cant have children. Regardless of what or who they are. Unfortunately its just not up to society who has children and who doesnt.

Sterilising the 'undesirable's is 1940's Germany.

TFW - you don't believe in prosecution???

So a junkie murders your nan for some cash and you'd pat them on the head and say "there there, we'll get you better soon"??????

I am indeed TWTT

I believe it could all be solved by legalising the drugs and prescribing it. And i stand by that, i think it would be the answer to all of the social problems we are met with from drug addicts.

thefruitwhisperer get a grip! this is not a forced sterilisation! its the choice of the person! for god sake read the bloody post!

lol at twtt

TFW so do you think a addict (im talking heroin,crack and the like)are fully capable of raising a child while addicted

bit of topic but has some meaning to subject,because from my experience and i dont mean a friend of a friend told me,for what i have witnessed it is pretty impossible

i realise you have very personal insight into this and understand if you dont want to reply or go into detail

It depends on the extent of the crime, of course. Its not all black and white. Which is why you cant say Addicts dont have the right to children. What if someone tried cannabis once? What if someone binge drinks at the weekend? Who can and cant have children judging by your rules?

People recover.

Offering cash to addicts is like offering sausages to a dog. Its trickery and immoral.

It's not about sterilising the 'undesirables'. It's about giving children the opportunity not to be neglected and ending up in care. You may note that I support chemical sterilisation, thus allowing the drug addict the opportunity to get clean before having children.

yes they do recover and many relapse time and time again

im thinking along the lines of class A not cannabis (though thats not the best start either)

Who said they don't have the right to have children? They shouldn't have them in the grips of addiction, but that is neither here nor there!
I am saying they should have the right to choose to be sterilised and take cash for it, if they so choose!
Are you just making up other people posts and arguing the points you think have been said or something?

I think it depends on the extent of the addiction and the willingness of the addict. It took my mum two times in rehab to recover, the first time she just wasnt ready. My brother and I mostly raised ourselves but Im university educated, have a good job in the city and (while I might have some resentment towards those born with silver spoons) I am grateful for what I have now. Not for what I missed out on as a kid.

I think it's a really difficult issue. My inclination is to be anti - I've worked in addiction, and I don't think women who take drugs can't be good enough mothers, and I do worry about the unintended consequences of this kind of intervention.

But I am also mother to a child born addicted to drugs, whose birth mother - like so many women in her situation - has gone on to have another child, who will also be taken into care, whereupon she will have another, and probably another. It's an absolute tragedy, for her (the thought of the repeated heartbreak she will go through is chilling) and of course for the children. Being born addicted to drugs can have severe lifelong consequences, even if the children are adopted into happy homes. Spending your early weeks in special care, then months in foster care, before being adopted is very far from the best start in life.

I don't think compulsory sterilisation is the answer to this problem. But I also think those that say, "They need treatment, not punishment" don't understand how difficult it is for a long-term addict to get clean and stay clean. My dc's birth mother has struggled for years to get herself sorted so she can hang on to her kids. She hasn't been able to do this, and her children have suffered terribly as a consequence, and so she has lost them and is now having more babies to replace them. It is an absolute tragedy for all concerned. I wish there was an easy answer.

Lots of people on this thread have said some people dont have the human right to have children.

hester

No-one's advocating compulsory sterilisation, just whether or not addicts should be given the option.

In that case "well the little old lady's money was hanging out of her purse, It was like a sausage to a dog i had to take it" That would not be acceptable in a court so what is your point!

No one is actually talking about my point, all just jumping on the side you want, when that is not the issue so i am off your all hard bloody work!

TFW

If people had a human right to have a children either no-one would have fertility issues or all fertility treatment would be free.

No love! we said no one has a human right to have children, as they don't its not something you can demand! if it don't happen its tough!

last year my next door neighbour died in her flat.was dead for approx 6hrs with only her 5yr old son there trying to wake her up

God only hopes he dosent remember to much,for the last year he was living with his grandmother abroad,should say the mother bought the child back without SS permission and was only back 2wks before this happened

as 2yrs previous SS had taken him away,the poor mite has had his whole life ripped apart (now with his dad)next door neighbour resorted to prostitution in her last year and had two abortions in that time,thank god she had the sense not to put another child through a mad lifestyle

Its not a real option though Timothy. They'll say yes to any offer of cash! Its bribery!

Its like saying, ah he/she is sterilised now. They'll die quietly and leave us nicer people alone now.

If your womb/testes work, you can have a child. If they dont, help exists for you in the form of adoption and other fertility treatments. Its everyones right.

TFW -

Prison will work better for keeping them away from 'us nicer people'.

For me this is about protecting the children, not the addict.

Today's news footage of the newborn baby going cold turkey is upsetting.

Im with Fruit. I think these people need help. The addicts, the child, everyone involved. We shouldnt jump straight to sterilising them as an actual preventative measure. Its too far.

And realistically, they arent in their right mind to make a proper decision.