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Out of curiosity..

102 replies

Charleney · 17/10/2010 00:47

What is wrong with Formula feeding?

I'm 3 months pregnant with my first so havent done either!
But would just like to know why its bad?

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IMoveTheStars · 17/10/2010 00:51

NOTHING is wrong with formula feeding.

It's the multitude of positives with breastfeeding that make formula a poor second (I FF'd my first)

Have a search in the breast and bottle feeding section, there are some amazing threads on the subject. like this one.

Charleney · 17/10/2010 00:53

Just sort of got the impression on here that alot of people were against it.

Thankyou for that i will have a read :)

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belledechocolatefluffybunny · 17/10/2010 00:53

Nothing. It's down to choice. I breast fed, I wanted ds to have the antibodies that is in breast milk and it's cheaper/quicker then formula.
Your baby, your choice. Smile

Joolyjoolyjoo · 17/10/2010 00:54

There is nothing wrong with formula feeding, but, as a lazy sod, breast feeding was so much easier for me!

Charleney · 17/10/2010 00:57

But if you breastfeed, that means the women have to do ALL the feeds.. dont men get away with enough in life??
No periods... no child birth! lol.. they got it easy! haha

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SarahStratton · 17/10/2010 00:57

I couldn't breastfeed, I tried v hard but was crap as my milk dried up v quickly. Both DDs were formula fed and seem to be perfectly ok :)

Charleney · 17/10/2010 01:03

Has anyone ever seen a difference in children that were breastfed to formula fed? if that makes sense??

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IMoveTheStars · 17/10/2010 01:08

You can't pick a difference on an individual basis, no. On a general population-based study (for example) there would be a difference, yes.

Joolyjoolyjoo · 17/10/2010 01:08

I had friends that bf and friends that ff. To be honest, I didn't notice the difference that much.

And yes, bf women do ALL the feeds, but it can be a great excuse to sit for hours reading/ watching TV etc -"Oh, dd needs a feed, but the dinner needs making/ the house needs hoovering/ the in-laws need visiting- you can do that can't you? I am stuck here watching X-factor with small helpless baby on my boob. Thanks darling."

Disclaimer- by no means saying it is easy for everyone from day one- it can hurt, and there are times it is difficult, no denying, but once you get the hang of it, it's fab!

lowrib · 17/10/2010 01:17

Charleney if you want the easy option, it's BFing! I don't care that DP can't do it, it's still way easier this way.

I'm so glad I was able to BF, as I really couldn't be bothered with the hassle of buying formula, making sure everything is sterilised, mixing it up, making sure I have enough milk when I go out, getting it to the right temperature. Or when I have none ready, balancing a hungry crying baby in one arm while I prepare milk with the other. Phew! What a faff!

Instead, if DS is hungry, I simply BF him, simple!

There are so many other reasons that BFing is great, and I'm sure others will mention them, but for me the top reasons are:

  • Breast milk has many health benefits including providing your baby with protection from illness
  • Breast milk has been designed by millions of years of evolution to be exactly what your baby needs. FF has been around 5 minutes in comparison, and it is the inferior product.
  • When DS has been ill, he has on occasion completely refused liquids and food. But he will still BF. This has been just so reassuring, I haven't had to worry about him being dehydrated, which would have been a real concern otherwise.
  • When I went back to work (part time), I found it a great way for us to reconnect when I got home IYSWIM. I think it has been great for our bonding overall.
lowrib · 17/10/2010 01:18

"it can be a great excuse to sit for hours reading/ watching TV etc -"Oh, dd needs a feed, but the dinner needs making/ the house needs hoovering/ the in-laws need visiting- you can do that can't you? I am stuck here watching X-factor with small helpless baby on my boob. Thanks darling.""

I like your style Joolyjoolyjoo Grin

3thumbedwitch · 17/10/2010 01:19

FF is a perfectly reasonable substitute for breastfeeding but it cannot be as good. There are no antibodies in formula, no protective qualities that you would get from mother's breastmilk.

however - it's your choice what you do.

IMoveTheStars · 17/10/2010 01:23

"- When DS has been ill, he has on occasion completely refused liquids and food. But he will still BF. This has been just so reassuring, I haven't had to worry about him being dehydrated, which would have been a real concern otherwise."

Apparently if your baby is ill then BM can change consistency to increase fluid intake. Also in summer when you're both hot and sweaty BM will change to ensure your baby stays hydrated (you might not, which is why it's so important to drink lots of water when BFing)

I never realised it was so amazing.

And,... as someone on the thread I linked to said; it's not amazing, it's normal. :)

Joolyjoolyjoo · 17/10/2010 01:24

lowrib- I know, I can't believe bf doesn't sell itself better! I was approached by a MW to talk to an ante-natal class about bf, as having bf three children I "obviously understood the benefits"! I told her I wasn't a good candidate, as the main reason I did it was convenience/ laziness- she left me alone after that! Grin

But seriously, antibodies and health benefits aside (and I'm not dissing these guys- I do know the stats) what better way to feel virtuous while sat on your butt in front of the TV for 4hrs??!

LadyWellian · 17/10/2010 01:27

It is possible to do both. DD was exclusively BF until 3mths when I went back to work. She simply refused to take expressed milk from a bottle, so it all ended up down the sink. She was FF while I was at work and BF when I was at home until about 13mths. Worked for us, even though we hadn't planned it that way.

chipmonkey · 17/10/2010 02:11

"But if you breastfeed, that means the women have to do ALL the feeds.. dont men get away with enough in life??"

For this, see wot Jools said! YOU have to do all the feeds so therefore HE has to do everything else!Grin

For me it was a question of what nature designed against what Man designed. Let's see. So far

Nature designed the sun. Man designed the light bulb. Nature 1: Man Nil

Nature designed The Nile: Man designed the Suez Canal. Nature 2: Man Nil

Nature designed the Moon. Man designed The Mir Space Station. Nature 3: Man Nil.

Nature designed breastmilk. Man designed formula. So far all the evidence suggests that Nature is a more reliable brand than man so I think it's a bit of a no-brainer, really!Wink

chefswife · 17/10/2010 02:26

I recall a recent study that was sited on the news, so not entirely sure of source, but BF children on average had fewer colds and flu then FF children. DD was exclusively BF until 5 months when she started being interested in food. DD had one fever from the when she was born till 20 months. At 22 months, she completely weened herself and in as much as it was good on one hand in that I felt like I had my body back, I miss the cuddle. Having my body back only lasted 3 weeks; then I found out I was pregnant again.

Chipmonkey. Like your Nature vs. Man. Grin Great perspective.

IMoveTheStars · 17/10/2010 02:31

anecdotal evidence is rubbish though, which is why a large population study is important. In my case DS was BF for a month, then FF. Aside from the norovirus he got at 9mo he hasn't been ill at all (colds/sniffles aside) in his whole life. It's only in the last month that I've felt the need to take him to the docs (blood tests, the works - he's fine though).

Just saying that based on individual cases it's meaningless. When you take the population as a whole it makes a big difference.

i'd love to see the analysis to even out socio-economic status/education/qualifications/earnings etc. (because I'm nosy)

onmyfeet · 17/10/2010 04:27

The dad's can still feed, you can either express ahead of time, or supplement the breast milk with formula.

onceamai · 17/10/2010 07:38

In an ideal world breast is obviously the best thing for a baby but as we all know the world isn't ideal. BF is brilliant when it works, when mum has enough milk, when baby latches well, when the let down isn't painful, when there is no mastitis or nipple damage and when mother and baby are both happy and relaxed and have sufficient clinical and pastoral support to help if things aren't working as well as they could. The bit they don't tell you at ante natal classes (and it's a bit like the perfect birth) it doesn't always happen like that. Many many years ago there was an alternative - a wet nurse whose baby had died due to illness or a traumatic birth and the lack of medical care then available. Formula is a brilliant alternative especically in the Western world where there is an adequate supply of clean water. It was invented because there used to be no alternative and mothers and babies suffered terribly as a result. In an age when antibiotics were not available mastitis for example was a killer.

Of course breast is best but I think we sometimes forget that it isn't the be all and the end all and when it goes wrong the fact that we can turn to formula is a blessing. A mantra has developed that breast milk has mystical and magical qualities not disclaiming the antibody factor here, but at the end of the day formula can be a life saver both physically and metaphorically.

I BF ds until he was 8 weeks old. Infective mastitis (thrush of breast - realised that years later when I read into a bit more) a breast abscess and for two weeks because of the continuing mantra tried to carry on with a tube draining the abscess taped over my back. During this period my HV actually told me that bf mothers put their babies first and FF mothers put themselves first!! Eventually an NCT expressing machine lady took one look at me and went and bought me a set of bottles and a tin of formula and showed me what to do. I feel forever graeful to her but it didn't prevent three months of clinical post natal depression. Looking back I'm still not sure that the benefits of breastfeeding during this period outweighed the three courses of antibiotics and painkillers I was taking Hmm

I managed to feed dd for nine months - having read a great deal in the meantime and having engaged a bf counsellor from day one to help. The guilt that was imposed in relation to ds though even with hindsight was wholly unforgivable and there is never, in my opinion, ever a reason for any woman to suffer because breast feeding isn't working out.

My DC both had bronchiolitis, both had wheezy spells and a touch of eczema DS more chesty and DD more exzemaish, both had rank persistent ear infections and grommets before the age of two. Both now big, strong and very bright: 15 and 11 respectively and you know what neither of them remember BF or FF because it is a miniscule part of being a mother.

Sorry - bit long.

Marjee · 17/10/2010 07:50

I love bfing and I'm so lucky ds knew exactly what to do and latched on straightaway. I never suffered sore nipples or supply problems at all, it was so easy from the start. Its not always true that its difficult to begin with, some babies just get it straightaway.

Also wrt doing all the feeds, all you need to do is sit or lay down with your breast out, if you're tired you can get your dh/dp to pass the baby to you. I actually found it a blessing that only I could feed ds as we had so many visitors when he was tiny and I used to hate it when he got passed around the room to everyone (probably just a bit pfb) so I could just say it was time to feed him when it got a bit much!

proudnscary · 17/10/2010 08:07

Absolutely nothing!

Nothing, nothing, nothing!

I FF my two children. They were and are extremely happy and healthy and we had a close bond from the word go.

Bf-ing is of course the ideal for all the reasons we all know and mums find it an amazing experience as people on here are telling you.

But if you can't or don't want to (me - the latter) it will not harm your dc!

lowrib · 17/10/2010 08:21

proudnscary are you and expert nutritionist or pediatrician? If not then I'm afraid you're not in a position to advise the OP that FF won't harm her child, just because of your personal experience. This is purely anecdotal evidence.

In general terms, AFIAK, FF is pretty safe, but if BF is better for health reasons, then is stands to reason that there are some children who are FF, who would have been healthier if they were BF.

lowrib · 17/10/2010 08:23

Of course I should mention that there are some children whose survival is thanks to FF, if they couldn't BF for some reason, and this is great of course. Although in the old days they used wet nurses of course.

mnistooaddictive · 17/10/2010 08:26

The cost. Formula will cost you about £40 each month. Breastmilk is free.