to think people are jolly unreasonable about ff/bf?

[Hullygully]

1. I don't care what anyone feeds their babies: sardines, coca cola, bm, fm (although it is a bit sad for the babies if it's sardines).

1. Breast milk is best. If nothing else it has long chain fatty acids that cannot be replicated in formula.

1. Some people can't bf so fine, use formula.

I can't see what else there is to discuss.

for me it is more of a political issue.

but yes, whatever you do, you will come in for judging.

a mother's place is in the wrong.

'Tis me hully!

Do you like my new name? . It is in honour of my first girlhood crush Tony. And Halloween.

Have missed you too ..

I know this is a genial thread but please, read this and think before posting negatively about FF

here

I will read that in a mo Random, but in answe to the last few posts, I had my first dc n my 30s and am also a fairly tough old bird. I wonder how I would have coped in other circs.

Let's all keep the love going.

RM....Great article, you must post this on every bf/ff thread!! And yes I know what I wrote.

Quite right Random. No negativity round here.

Precisely Titty. And it boils down to a complete lack of support for new mothers, most of whom feel they need to be back running the house, taking care of other DCs, shopping, etc within a matter of days because there is no one else who will do it for them. Even if there is help available, we are conditioned to not want to be a burden and might even feel a bit pathetic.

This is not conducive to successfully establishing breastfeeding. And if anyone comes on to say they managed it as a single mum with no family nearby and 3 other kids - by saying that, you are part of the problem!!

I also wanted to say that I am a classic example of the way these debates play out. Only a couple of weeks ago I was arguing with Titty quite vociferously. In a couple of recent threads we have been discussing things from the same viewpoint. So what's changed?

Well, in the last few weeks I have finally established successful EBF, after 4.5 months of struggling with DS and 3 months with DD. I am no longer using formula and all of a sudden the points about the risks of formula, reasons for using it, etc no longer seem to apply to me. In fact I find myself agreeing with much of it and participating in debates on "the other side". How quickly we forget. But I do hope I never ever forget how these discussions made me feel in the past, and remember that this is a very emotive subject which is rarely, if ever, a straightforward matter of choice.

So if my norks are like either for my childs use, or for my husbands use (or the male populace)- but not actually, in fact my own use am I entitle to some sort of rebate? I lug them round everywhere you know, all the time for others benefits. Surely I deserve something?

I prefer pilchards.....

one thing that has shocked me reading on MN is how frequently (it seems) that tongue tie is not identified early on. In the hospital where I had DD (not that she had it herself) they seem to identify it almost immediately - the local bf cafe was full of mums with their newborns getting them checked by the midwives after having the tongue tie corrected (I'm talking about babies one or two weeks old) - I assumed this was standard but it seems not, and that makes me sad because if it was a load more women could bf their babies, as they want to.

I was never advised to top DD up, despite her being small and barely feeding at all for the first 24 hours and going all limp and floppy on day 2 (she had jaundice and was on antibiotics too), I was given every encouragement to persevere. What a pity so many aren't, purely at the whim of their heath care providers.

I don't have anything against those who make an informed choice to FF (and since being on MN I know there are many reasons to make that choice) but I think it's wrong that women aren't given the support that they could have across the board to BF if they choose.

is it so highly charged because we are all bonkers and hormonal?
(well i was after birth of DC anyway)

i decided to BF because its FREE and i'm -skint- tightfisted