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to not do the whole "sisters" stuff

103 replies

2bloodyshoes · 12/10/2010 12:58

you know when women refer to other woman as sisters(not the biological family ones)
as in sisters should stick together.

never got it or done it.

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StewieGriffinsMom · 12/10/2010 17:36

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MrsLucasNorth · 12/10/2010 17:45

Generally I think it's a bit odd, but it does depend on the circumstances.
I have a very close friend. We grew up together and our mums were best mates too until her mum sadly died of cancer when we were 12. We both agree that our relationship is 'sisterlike'. We've had bust-ups over the years but always got through them and can't imagine not being in each others lives. She travelled hundreds of miles to attend my hen night and be best woman at my wedding and I'll be doing the same for her in a few weeks (with DD in tow as flower girl Grin). I have never actually referred to her as my 'sister' but have heard dh refer to her as his sister-in-law!

LilMsUnfortunateAxeIncident · 12/10/2010 17:50

Yes posie, muslim women do use this term, and yes they use it to separate muslim women from non muslim women.

But they don't own the word. And IME many of the ones I met weren't overly sisterly either.. unless trying to shag one's other half is a sisterly right Hmm (ew)

When younger, I have to say, that due to the cruelty suffered at the hands of female colleagues at school, at work etc, I was not overly bothered to have female friendships. It was all too much effort, the she said, she said stuff, cosmetics and boys/men, all of it left me cool at best.

since becoming a mum, and living in a male dominated islamic society, I tell you I couldn't have any less interest in the male of the species if I tried.

Living under that regime, I grew to truly appreciate the efforts and struggles fought on my behalf over the years so that I have a say in politics, in law and in work. Women and men laid down their lives and reputations so that I can live as I do today in this glorious country. Where a woman CAN be all she wants to be, as demanding a job as it is, at least she has a choice.

Patriarchy is a classic proof of the phrase, Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. There HAS to be balance, and by the female of the species carping and bitching at her fellow woman, we are going to find it very hard to be taken as seriously as we ought to be.

We have to stop this objectification of women, we have to rebuild female esteem to expect and demand more, to value ourselves and each other more.

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 18:02

I think there are some mixed term here, and each poster interpreting them quite differently

which is ok, and what often happens

I think I was talking about female friendships, and the support they can give each other

"Sisterhood" means something else I think, not all of it positive

Feminism is something else again and definitely a good thing...or else it is all part of the same continuum ?

I'll tell you the women I don't have much time for... a man's woman

yuk to that

badcoverversion · 12/10/2010 18:04

I soundtracked this thread by singing "Here come the girls" in my head whilst reading it.

fist pump for ma sistahs...right in your feminine fucking faces of course...snigger, snigger, I kid I kid...

PosieComeHereMyPreciousParker · 12/10/2010 18:04

I am going to that conference to reacquaint myself with women and what it is to be part of that group.

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 18:35

scaryfucker I'm not sure if it's just down to personal experience that I have that opinion but I've always disliked the pack mentality that was prevalent at school...thought that people would grow out of it and it still continues at work!

In my personal experience these are the people who describe themselves as men's men or women's women.

I didn't mean to sound pompous (but I am amazed as I've never achieved that before Grin)

And as I said, it's my personal experience, I'm not trying to ram it down anyone's throats. But I prefer to lurk outside of the 'sisterhood'as I find it a bit twee and unnecessary as a grown woman.

Fab halloween namechange as well btw.

SGM I totally agree with you on 'all my friends are men/women/delete as appropriate'. I think it's quite sad.

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 19:04

dj, I have the feeling a lot of this is down to personal experience

how could it not be ??

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 19:19

Scary, Naaaah. I agree with the fact that women should have nurturing friendships but I also agree that every male and female should too.

I think sisterhood is a twee and silly term for it. But that is a personal dislike. You can use it if you like but I'm still going to go 'Pfffft' in my head Grin

I have found in my personal experience that women who refer to sisterhoods or women's women, men's men, brotherhoods etc are a bit cliquey as it's not something that needs said imho. If you are close friends with a woman and like her a lot it doesn't make you her sister. Likewise for the male version.

I don't think that it's unreasonable for me to say that I don't agree with this due to my own personal tastes and experience

Anyhoo it's not my op and I may have picked it up wrong but that is what I have taken from it

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 19:22

nobody said you were unreasonable to hold that opinion, dj

I thought your comment about the workplace and "not promoting people" (do you work in a dictatorship ???) who didn't conform to your way of thinking a bit Hmm but the rest I agree with Smile

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 19:33

Sometimes it can feel like working in a dictatorship yeah lol

What I mean is that upon weighing up characteristics of different individuals, if two women were qualified to the same level and it came down to who you thought would be the best candidate I would choose the 'teamplayer' over a 'woman's woman' or 'man's man'.

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 19:36

Am trying to think of some interview questions that would highlight those specific issues

"team player"...easy

the other stuff... Confused how you would get around sex discrimination laws, tbh

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 19:55

I was talking about an internal interview... in which case you would already be aware of any personality quirks.

It doesn't touch on sex discrimination laws because you choose the best person for the job regardless of sex.

But if you were daft enough to say in an external interview (tell us about yourself?) that you were a man's man or woman's woman then I don't think that would be viewed as being particularly desirable.

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 20:09

yes, you would be daft, because it woud be totally off-topic

which is my point

FWIW, jobs or promotions, whether internal/external, shouldn't be awarded, nor with-held on the basis of "personailty quirks"

because that smacks of favouritism and nepotism

but I work in the NHS, where structured questions are asked about the job itself and objective scores by at least three panel members are awarded

at the end, the person with the highest objective score gets the job

perhaps you work in an entirely different way/ethos ?

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 20:10

how did we get on to interview techniques ?? Confused

InGodWeTrust · 12/10/2010 20:12

I don't even like my normal sisters let alone adding extra to the combination.

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 20:15

Yes I fear this has digressed somewhat from my original point. (And in general- 'tell us a bit about yourself' is a totally normal question to be asked in an interview situation.)

I'm a non NHS worker and work with failing companies where a lot of time what we are looking for is not someone who ticks the boxes per se- but can show the correct attitudes and has appropriate experience to come work with us. So yes, it is different but personality counts for a lot in interviews.

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 20:18

I will shut up now, dj Smile

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 20:25

Lol thank god, felt like an interrogation AF

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 20:25

SORRY Scaryfucker.... not Any.

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 20:28

I know, dj, that is why I have zipped it Smile

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 20:31

Completely unrelated thread hijack but ARGH my DD just got up and walked!!!!!!! (I'm telling everybody I can think of...Grin

ScaryFucker · 12/10/2010 20:34

awww Grin

perhaps I scared her off Wink

deathjeff · 12/10/2010 20:34

Well your name IS Scary Grin

poshsinglemum · 12/10/2010 20:58

I think that we should look out for each other. Mabe sisterhood is a bit 70's hippy.
To me as a female I like to relate to other females as we have similar issues to contend me. It does not mena thta I automatically like all women and that we are not competing.