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to be annoyed by banks saying I don't need a cheque booik any more?

264 replies

camicaze · 23/09/2010 09:40

What IS all this about cheques being abolished and surely its unreasonable? Is it just me that still gets through quite a few cheques? School dinners, nursery fees, Brownie subs, clubs, party deposits - the list is endless.
I am particularly annoyed at how slow my bank are to replace a used cheque book as if I need to be eduacated that debit cards exist...

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SanctiMoanyArse · 23/09/2010 16:57

Yes but lots of volunteers are older and simply don't trust bans, and quite a few (and I used to be a volunteer manager and guider so know the pool well LMAO) aren't that PC literate either.

Dh won't touch online banking as he has been the vioctim of identity fraud. At some point he's going to have to grasp it but he, despite being a techie, is very averse to it.

SanctiMoanyArse · 23/09/2010 16:58

(Oh I do internet bank and love it before anyone assumes LOL).

None of us have an iphone though, no need for one. Cheapo cookie more than adequate.

fsmail · 23/09/2010 17:09

I still pay by cheque for Rainbows, school trips and the mobile hairdresser but a lot of other school activities are paid by standing order which is the only alternative or bank transfer. My milk is paid by bank transfers.

SE13Mummy · 23/09/2010 17:13

I have two cheque books for the same account because I begged for them - the books contain fewer cheques these days in addition to not being replaced automatically. Luckily for me, the lady I spoke to in the bank understood why I wanted cheques (for school dinners, clubs, gymnastics, school trips etc.) as she finds she needs them for the same sort of things.

MaMoTTaT · 23/09/2010 18:14

many of them may be older - but lots of older people - believe it or not - are actually quite happy to get "internet/techy" savvy Wink

Thing is - people said the same thing when chip and pin came in, well bank cards for payments in general........"oh the older generation won't get it" -

well they do - they learned........

Miggsie · 23/09/2010 18:29

The issue for me is, if your cheque is stolen, the bank has to sort it out and you are not liable. If you use online payment and accidentally send money to the wrong account the bank does nothing, you have to sort it out by contacting the person you wrongly sent it to, and if they decline to send it back, you've lost that money.

So I won't use online direct payments until this little legal loophole is sorted out

HooNose · 23/09/2010 18:32

I consider myself as internet savvy as the next person and have online banking and do a lot of online shopping where I use a credit card or paypal, but I still write cheques very frequently. I have written two today for two different school trips. I still write them for tradesmen who want payment on the doorstep (quite a few) and get through several a month paying out for school things. I suppose I could use cash for the school things but I don't tend to have a lot of cash on me and would have to make frequent trips to the hole in the wall if I couldn't use cheques. I can't see myself using cash to pay tradesmen though. The other day, dh wrote a cheque for over £500 to pay our car mechanic for various jobs he has done for us over the summer. Who would have £500 sitting around in cash?! The car mechanic is a one man band so I am not sure he has credit facilities.

I think there will have to be more changes than people think when cheques go out.

tokyonambu · 23/09/2010 18:34

"They trialled the smart card in Swindon in 1997 but I can't find much on trial outcomes."

Mondex. I was offered a job working for a start-up that was going to try to leverage it over the Internet for digital media like MP3s, but unfortunately it was the mid-1990s and it was all a Bit Too New and I suspected (rightly) that it would fail. I don't think you can read across from the Mondex trials (it was also trialled at Loughborough, or was in Lancaster, university) because a lot of the infrastructure - ubiquitous always-on Internet, mobile comms - wasn't there, so it was all too early. The crypto was reasonably sound, I think, but it was hard to convince people to use it. As I mentioned, a better model would be Suica in Tokyo.

"many of them may be older - but lots of older people - believe it or not - are actually quite happy to get "internet/techy" savvy"

Quite. As my father (75, always takes his iPhone and his Macbook on holiday) points out, somewhat mordantly, every day another cohort aged 65 who have used computers at work retires, and every day a matching cohort of people who have never used computers and never will dies. And that before you consider people like MIL who is learning from scratch at 76, because she now finds that no-one's willing to print out the notices and stick it through the door when she can't make it to church, but it's e-mailed every Friday. Everyone just needs a single thing to arise which justifies the effort.

tokyonambu · 23/09/2010 18:37

"The issue for me is, if your cheque is stolen, the bank has to sort it out and you are not liable. If you use online payment and accidentally send money to the wrong account the bank does nothing, "

If you write the cheque to the wrong person, the bank still does nothing. All you're saying is that you want mistakes to be sorted out on online transfer, but you're happy to not make mistakes with cheques.

ShrinkingViolet · 23/09/2010 18:43

I'm treasurer for a couple of clubs/small organisations, and it's really hard to have financial controls in place to civer online banking (to allow us to accept direct payments from members i'd need to be able to check the account daily) - most clubs require two signatures on a cheque, but with online banking, you have the risk that an individual could clear out the bank account.

Plus every time I've had to change a bank mandate (to amend signatories, add online banking) the banks have all messed it up (one took over 12 months to accept a new mandate, then they threatened to close the accoutn as some of the security stuff didn't match up - turned out they had one signatory listed as living at the branch Shock).

So it's not as straightforward as just everyone paying their fees/bills online to clubs and suchlike.

MaMoTTaT · 23/09/2010 18:46

HooNose - if the work on the car was done over the summer - obviously the guy trusted you to pay - so why not make a transfer to his account?? - he doesn't need credit facilities to accept it.

He doesn't even need online banking.

sillysow · 23/09/2010 18:46

I hate using cheques myself, as there are much easier ways to pay. That said I think they still have a place - and I always use them at the feed merchants as they only take cash or cheque- and I am never sure how much cash I would need. I think bank transfers and card payments are the way as they are easily traceable.

Raahh · 23/09/2010 18:56

I hate using cheques, as I find it impossible to budget. Not because i can't budget but because the recipients seem to have a very blase attitude towards banking them.

I only use them for Beavers, and school- and both are notorious for not banking them for ages. It took Beavers 6 weeks to bank last terms subs- and stupidly i had assumed it would have cleared much earlier. When the money did go out, there was literally only just enough to cover it.

TotorosOcarina · 23/09/2010 18:57

I've never wrote a cheque out in my life!

ReshapeWhileDamp · 23/09/2010 19:02

YANBU. I dread their disappearance. I currently write cheques for: the milkman (he gets it wrong a lot, I certainly don't want to set up a direct debit with him); antique fairs; a lot of craft fairs and smaller, independent shops or traders; farmers' markets; a myriad of toddler groups; the odd deposit or bill. It makes no sense to me to junk them just because some people are over-fetishistic about doing everything electronically. Grin

tokyonambu · 23/09/2010 19:04

About twenty years ago, there were a lot of boring men who would tell you about the faster route to Borington if you turn left on Boring Road and take the Boringville Bypass. And how Mrs Thatcher might have been a bit strident but she had the right ideas even if she was a woman. If you caught them between pints of old Stoatwalloper and before they started rambling on about how old Enoch talked a lot of sense, they would tell you about the evils of direct debits. How no-one sensible would use them, and therefore they would never catch on, and they were sticking with standing orders thank you very much.

Now, a huge proportion of the population doesn't give it a second thought, and energy, council tax, gyms, magazine subscriptions, whatever, are all paid by DD. There are 28 on our joint account, ranging from the NCT to Private Eye to the Council Tax. I doubt we're that unusual.

Time moves on. Some people will decide that they don't like that. But there's a limit to how much society needs to organise itself to accommodate them. Cheques aren't going away yet, but the main risk which guarantee cards - and if you want to hear about people, often women, stuck with horrid debts because their partner, usually a man, buggered off and wrote a load of cheques on the overdraft as he went and caught her under joint and several liability, ask your local bank manager - is stopping. But cheques have had their card marked, to mix a metaphor, and over time, they're going away. All the "but I use it for..." are arguments that apply, with changes, to telegrams and cassettes and carbon paper and banda copiers, and the rest of the detritus of the past.

domesticsluttery · 23/09/2010 19:07

I write a lot of cheques, mainly for things like dinner money and school trips. Yes, I could pay cash, but as there have been one or two discrepancies about payments I like the fact that I can look the cheque up on my bank statement.

MaMoTTaT · 23/09/2010 19:10

RedShape - you could set up a standing order - the details will stay in your account and you can just set it to go out once you're sure the amount is right (or change your milkman to one that can do his maths Grin)

My dad does craft fairs (does photo restoration) - yes he accepts cheques - but most people now pay him via bank transfer. The farmers market round here (when it turns up) most of them now take cards.

Electronic (especially online) is SO much quicker and easier

Bunbaker · 23/09/2010 19:16

tokyomambu

I would love to not use my cheque book, but I think you seem to have difficulty in grasping the fact that for some payees currently cash or cheque is the only way to get their money.

You are making the assumption that everyone is as PC literate as you and has access to the various electronic methods of receiving their money. You obviously don't have a: milkman, child at school that has school dinners/does after school clubs/learns a musical instrument, a child that goes to Brownies/guides/Cubs/Scouts, relatives that like to receive money in a card for their birthday or go to farmers markets/craft fairs etc. Either that or you carry large wads of cash around with you all the time.

OH is self employed and nearly all his customers pay electronically, but we still get the odd cheque. Businesses have to pay for the use of a debit card machine and for small businesses it isn't viable. Ryanair can get away with charging extra for us to use credit cards online, but I doubt that a milkman or window cleaner can get away with it.

salizchap · 23/09/2010 19:34

I would be happy to pay online or through bank transfer (is that the same as BACS?), however, I am at work all day so a visit to the bank is out! I don´t carry wads of cash around with me, and getting to a cash point is a real hassle round here.

I use cheques to pay school dinners, afterschool club, and school trips, simply because there is no alternative. I only worry about the disappearance of the cheque in so far as will it cost us more to use the alternatives? Will there BE an alternative?

Ariesgirl · 23/09/2010 19:35

Small businesses like mine will suffer when cheques are abolished. We don't have a card machine because it means you lose a small percentage of the sale, and I also pay creditors with them. I use cheques to pay personal bills such as electricity and credit cards. When you want to send money through the post, how else will you do it? How will old people manage, or those without the internet? Bloody annoying change for change's sake Angry

MaMoTTaT · 23/09/2010 19:47

Well Aries - old people seem (on the whole) to have managed with the DD's and bank cards, chip and pin and the likes.

And if they're not being abolished until 2020 or whenver then I think you'll find that many of the current generation of "soon to be OAPS'" are already fairly literate on computers.

You don't need to have ANY electronic means to recieve money - you can still go to the bank and withdraw it over the counter (although many accounts don't allow over the counter withdrawals for under a certain amount anyhow) - so that's done electronically - even for the older people).

A milkman or window cleaner can just get their money by standard transfer surely

I have 3 children - 2 at school (1 at nursery), 1 does music lessons, my children get cash from my parents for their birthdays - they put it in my account. I've had a window cleaner in the past (well I still do - but he comes courtesy of the LL Grin), I've been to craft fairs and farmers markets.

I don't walk round with vast wads of cash (most is usually £70 when I'm going to do my weekly shop - because I'm peculiar and like to pay that in cash - despite the fact my card works pefectly well Blush).

Yet I've never had the need for a cheque.

MaMoTTaT · 23/09/2010 19:48

and besides you don't actually NEED the internet to do put money in someone elses account - you can do it at a bank - and if you're the type to faff around with cheques you're likely to be in and out of the bank a lot anyhow Wink

Ariesgirl · 23/09/2010 19:54

Well thanks for that information MaMoTTat. Perhaps it didn't need to be quite so condescending. I don't consider myself "a person who likes to faff around with cheques", merely a person who runs a SME who appreciates the option to use them.

fluffles · 23/09/2010 19:55

i run a guide unit and don't know how we're going to do without cheques.. i would hate to take all subs and other payments in cash.. but i suppose we'll have to.

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