dogs at school gates again

[nikkershaw]

fgs can people not keep them a little away from the entrance, it's not alot to ask for? we don't all want to pet your pongy pooch and i'm sick of detouring around them.

thank you

BeerTricks thankyou for helping me see where I have been going wrong!!

Note toself do not let DC breath in the wrong direction in fact lock them in the cellar where they are safe from harm...
oh but i wonder will the spiders hurt them???

I would never tie my dog up at the school gates and leave him.

I do not trust children at all they can be very unpredictable.

However much you trust yours and think it is safe and gentle they can and do 'turn' and can inflict lots of damage.

I'll keep my dog well away thanks.

Spikey said "They are not asking for give or take. They are talking about reporting others for doing nothing wrong. THEY have a problem, not the dog. So what is the owner being reported for? It's truly pathetic. And dog owners have to see the same crap on here every time they log on."

Spikey - the original post asked simply that people with dogs keep them a little way from the entrance - she said absolutely nothing about reporting them. So what is unreasonable about what she is asking? She's not saying don't ever bring your dog out in public, or don't ever bring your dog on the school run - just asking if dogs could be kept a short way away from the entrance!

Can someone please explain to me how this is unreasonable? It sounds like a perfectly reasonable compromise to me!

Marge2, why since next doors dog killed a chicken will you no longer allow your children to play at their house?

Because of the agression their dogs show in general. One of their kids came round to our house at the weekend with a great big scratch on her face which one of the dogs had inflicted, according to her. All in good play I am sure!! These particular dogs just seem very highly strung and like they want to kill anything that moves. I never see them being walked or exercised apart from when they are running up and down the hedge barking at us.
I like the family, the kids are delightful. Their dogs are horrible and scary and I just don't trust them not to bite my children.

But you trusted them before the 'chicken incident', so has the fact the dog killed a chicken made you think they are more dangerous?

I think all dogs should be muzzled in public. It doesn't hurt them and it prevents them biting and me being anxious for my dc when they come bounding towards them. Would be happy to muzzle the dc too if they were a risk for dogs.

Anyway, anyone who thinks their dog is 'safe' is deluded. They're not.

I suppose the risk factor has gone up in my eyes. Also I have also been really scared myself in our garden while one of the dogs was trying to get through the fence. I don;t know if it WOULD have attacked me, but I am not about to wait to find out thanks!

It 'shredded' the chicken according to another neighbour. It happened while we were away and they were looking after the birds for us.

Also I just couldn't live with myself if, knowing how the act, I allowed one of my boys to go next door and they got hurt. Why take the risk??

Don't agree with the 'all dogs should be muzzled in public' way forward.

the dog shredding the chicken is instinct though.

my dogs would also shred a chicken but they would not attack a child.

PS I do not tie mine up at the school gate, but believe there are some hysterical people around who should not be instilling this 'dog fearing' into their children.

..so is the mother wanting her kids to be safe!

I'm quite capable of preventing my dogs from biting you (or even approaching you) without a muzzle, or in fact a lead thankyou very much Wahwah.

Why on earth should my well behaved and well socialised dogs have to be muzzled and therefore prevented from playing 'fetch' and suchlike because of other people's irrational fears?

Do you know that your child is statistically more likely to be killed by a balloon than a dog?

yes, point taken marge2.

Exactly midori - i would hate mine to be muzzled. They do not need it, so why should i do that because of the few who don't like dogs.

Well my sons aren't scared of dogs. They are not even scared of the ones next door despite what happened. They don't LIKE them any more though.

We have family members with dogs, they actually love dogs and really want us to get one. I also like dogs. JUST NOT THESE ONES!!!!

To be honest I actually think they are badly cared for. Well fed, well loved, but 4 large dogs need lots of exercise and lots of obedience training in my opinion, I don't know all that much about dogs, but wouldn;t 4 start to act as a pack and get a bit out of control? They never get walked as far as I know.

Marge2, a dog killing a chicken has absolutely no relevance on whether or not a dog would hurt a child. Dogs want to chase small furries, and if they can get hold of them, they would kill or 'shred' them. Prior to my owning chickens, I am pretty sure my own (well behaved, trustworthy and well socialised) dogs would have killed one. They also love to chase rabbits on walks and would kill one if they were fast enough. (they're not!)

Obviously it's totally up to you if you want to let your children round there, but risk to children does not go up because a dog has killed a chicken.

The way your neighbours dogs are behaving when you are in the garden isn't acceptable though. Have you raisd the issue with your neighbours?

I'm intrigued that all the dog owners I 'meet' on MN seem to have their dogs under perfect control at all times, yet all the dog owners I meet in RL seem to be unable to do anything than ineffectually say 'Down, boy!' as they jump all over you. Oh, or the 'wouldn't hurt a fly' line, as they bite your ankles.

Funny old world, eh....

Yes - I've told them they scare the crap out of me. The two scariest are BIG Boxers. their eyes go wierd and they hurl themselves at the fence and try to bite through it. If they were little yappers perhaps I wouldn't feel so scared, but I know if they got through I'd be dead meat. They are big strong things and I would be knocked down and mauled.

You seem to know lots about dogs. Do you think they are so aggressive because there are 4 of them?

Riven, what on earth made you think your dogs would have turned their head and snapped at passer by?

As for how. Well, for a start, they don't get near enough to make contact with a passer by. Like I said ealier in the thread, walking my dogs in me andr them time, for training. Passers by have an annoying habit of trying to talk to my dogs, which distracts them from training, so I like to keep my dogs away from them. They are also taught to completely ignore strangers unless given permission to say hello and are usually too busy paying attention to me to notice other people.

Four of them means the situation is more likely to be worse as they are more likely to be paying attention to each other and not the owner. The owner could stop them doing this if she chose to, and at the very least she could call them indoors if they start to make a noise in the garden. I would be mortified if my dogs frightened my neighbours, no matter if I knew they were totally unlikely to harm them. It doesn't sound like she is a very good owner sadly.

They only could if they were near enough...

and yes, any dog could potentially bite. However, the threshold at which a dog would bite is different for all dogs and dependant on how well socialised the dog is. Also, despite what people think, the only dogs that bite without warning are the ones which have been told off for 'warning' in the first place.

Dogs simply aren't interested in going round biting people willy nilly.