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AIBU?

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Original poster

this shitty state education system

48 replies

fabsoopergroovy · 21/09/2010 22:30

DD moved primary school. She was ridiculously over assessed. She was G&T at her old school and at new school has IEP for same area of former gift(new school can be trusted). Her confidence is in shreds, she accepts what has happened but has periods where she just thinks she is rubbish and it's really hard.

The headteacher of her old school is to blame and has been subject of my previous posts. She shows no remorse, has lied about what has happened and misled other parents.

Ofsted have just finished an inspection at the school. DH had opportunity to speak to one of the inspectors and totally unbelievably failed to mention that DD has gone from G&T to IEP!!! WTF?? I am livid. I just cannot think rationally now.

My complaint is with the GTC and they are sitting on thursday to decide whether or not I have a case with them. Of course, I do, but have discovered they do not do their own investigation and so I could be kicked back.

I watched John Humphreys last night. I do not live in a deprived area. I live in a middle class village with very few free school dinner pupils. The schools leadership shows all the attributes of a school within a deprived social area.

I passionately believe every child should have access to the best state education system tax payers money can buy. This is wrong. If you can't get it right here in a middle class village where tf can you get it right?

AIBU?

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MollieO · 21/09/2010 22:33

Why can't someone who is G&T have an IEP?

tethersend · 21/09/2010 22:35

What does the IEP say?

pointydog · 21/09/2010 22:35

I think your situation highlights two different issues. Firstly, how ridiculously difficult it can be to move out poor school managers. Secondly, far too few people want to be headteachers and there are reasons for that.

Ariesgirl · 21/09/2010 22:39

Speaking as a former teacher, IEPs can be and are sometimes written for children who are gifted and talented. We were encouraged to do so to help the children achieve their potential. Middle class areas do not have the monopoly on good teachers and heads, I'm afraid - in fact it is easier for them to coast along with less intervention, because they have high achieving pupils and parents. There are many excellent schools in very deprived areas. And there will always always always be some teachers who are better than others

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 21/09/2010 22:41

Impossible to answer your post without knowing why you daughter has an IEP and why you believe her school has failed her so badly

I work in the sort of inner city school you describe, and dd attends a leafy lane primary, so have experience of both
I am extremely proud of the successes both schools have achieved.

frogetyfrog · 21/09/2010 22:41

What is an IEP. I thought the top x% were classed as g&t in each school, therefore theoretically you could move from one school to another and move in and out of g&t?

But i am obviously missing the point so apologise as can offer no advice as havent a clue!

MollieO · 21/09/2010 22:43

Individual Education Plan. I think the OP assumes they are only available for failing dcs rather than ones that are G&T. Hmm

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 21/09/2010 22:44

'The schools leadership shows all the attributes of a school within a deprived social area.'

This confuses me.
Can you explain further?

TheFallenMadonna · 21/09/2010 22:45

"The schools leadership shows all the attributes of a school within a deprived social area."

What does this mean?

memoo · 21/09/2010 22:45

A child who is G+T can also have an IEP too!

frogetyfrog · 21/09/2010 22:45

Am I right in my assumption re g&t though? Is it just simply the top % and therefore is not comparable school to school?

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 21/09/2010 22:47

X posts Madonna, word for word, practically Grin

jetgirl · 21/09/2010 22:48

I have a number of g and t students who also have IEPs in order that we can best serve their educational needs. Have you seen your dd's IEP?

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fabsoopergroovy · 21/09/2010 22:50

When challenged, the head told me DD was on G&T register 'to boost her confidence'. WTF?? Major alarm bells. Literacy is her great area of weakness. She is in a phonics group now (Yr6) for which I am grateful as she has the opportunity to gain ground before going to secondary.

Pointy - you are right about school managers - I have only recently realised that the emotion I feel is one of injustice (when the police saw the evidence they remarked that in no other profession would a person who had been so deceitful still be in post). I also realise from the posts of other MNers that this situation is not unique. I can fight and fight but feel really against it now.

Interesting though your point about so few wanting to become headteachers - I didn't know that. I know lots of teachers must be happy at remaining teachers but would have thought there are plenty around who would like to give it a go as natural career progression. Be interested to learn more on that.

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cat64 · 21/09/2010 22:52

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memoo · 21/09/2010 22:53

police?? you've lost me now

NonnoMum · 21/09/2010 22:57

Blimey fab think you need to calm down a bit.

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 21/09/2010 22:58

Why are the police involved?

memoo · 21/09/2010 23:00

please don't tell me you've been to the police over this?

edam · 21/09/2010 23:00

Are you happy with her new school? If so, I'd stop letting whatever went wrong with the old school use up your time, energy and attention.

frogetyfrog · 21/09/2010 23:01

can anybody answer my question. Head mentioned g&t register to me before summer hols in discussion over two of my dds. Told him I didnt think it relevant and moved discussion onto other things. That was based on my assumption that it is the top percentage of children in a school and can therefore be different levels of ability depending on school. Is that right or not. If right then I really cant see the point.

I think they would be better putting extra time and effort in the bottom percentage where one of my dds sits!!!

backwardpossom · 21/09/2010 23:01

Police?!

FWIW, I'm a teacher, but I wouldn't be a head teacher for all the money in the world.

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 21/09/2010 23:07

Being a head is so far removed from teaching that I don't see it as 'a natural progression'

Op please answer some of these questions
I am intrigued

memoo · 21/09/2010 23:07

frogety your assumptiopn is correct

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fabsoopergroovy · 21/09/2010 23:08

Sorry, not been very clear as was cross when originally posting and have calmed down a little now.

Was referring to the social inequalities in education referred to last night by John Humphreys. The way I see it is if you take his general findings that those who live in deprived areas suffer over those in middle class areas then he is wrong and here is a perfect example of that. I am not saying that just because I live in a middle class village I am more worthy of a better school than someone who lives in an inner city and I hope I'm not coming across in that way. Wherever in the country, we all have the right to nothing short of the best education. The shortcomings, as illustrated on last nights programme, are the leadership and management and this is wrong.

My DD is definately not G&T and I challenged constantly to try to understand as I am not in education myself (as you have come to quickly realise I suspect!) I understood G&T to be the top % of the cohort and knew she was not there.

I am seriously suspect of school governance in a situation such as mine.

It's all such a minefield.

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