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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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this shitty state education system

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fabsoopergroovy · 21/09/2010 22:30

DD moved primary school. She was ridiculously over assessed. She was G&T at her old school and at new school has IEP for same area of former gift(new school can be trusted). Her confidence is in shreds, she accepts what has happened but has periods where she just thinks she is rubbish and it's really hard.

The headteacher of her old school is to blame and has been subject of my previous posts. She shows no remorse, has lied about what has happened and misled other parents.

Ofsted have just finished an inspection at the school. DH had opportunity to speak to one of the inspectors and totally unbelievably failed to mention that DD has gone from G&T to IEP!!! WTF?? I am livid. I just cannot think rationally now.

My complaint is with the GTC and they are sitting on thursday to decide whether or not I have a case with them. Of course, I do, but have discovered they do not do their own investigation and so I could be kicked back.

I watched John Humphreys last night. I do not live in a deprived area. I live in a middle class village with very few free school dinner pupils. The schools leadership shows all the attributes of a school within a deprived social area.

I passionately believe every child should have access to the best state education system tax payers money can buy. This is wrong. If you can't get it right here in a middle class village where tf can you get it right?

AIBU?

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memoo · 21/09/2010 23:10

so where do the police come into it? I am intrigued

piscesmoon · 21/09/2010 23:10

I don't see being a Head as a natural progression. Lots of teachers prefer being in the classroom and would hate it! The paper work is soul destroying these days!
I think that there must be a lot we don't know about. I would have assumed that G & T needed an IEP and that it was a good thing.

frogetyfrog · 21/09/2010 23:10

Oh thanks memoo.

Surely then you could be as bright as a button but if there are several of you bright as buttons you may not be g&t.

Or you could go to a school where there are not many bright buttons and not be especially bright yourself but be g&t.

Bizarre.

cat64 · 21/09/2010 23:11

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memoo · 21/09/2010 23:11

thats exactly right frogety, its a bit farcical tbh

TechLovingDad · 21/09/2010 23:12

My mum has been a teacher for 30 odd years. Her view is that teachers don't really make good head teachers as teaching is no traning for what is, in effect, a management position.

frogetyfrog · 21/09/2010 23:15

Sounds totally farcical memoo.

pointydog · 21/09/2010 23:16

Many heads do a management qualification, tech. All the recent heads I know, at least.

mamatomany · 21/09/2010 23:18

I disagree TechLovingDad that is like saying the best NHS manager aren't the doctors and nurses who understand patients needs, we've tried that and look where it's gotten us.

Any back on topic, why would an IEP be a problem, i'd have bloody loved one of those instead of the cut and pasted crap we used to get about all the children at our old state school, I think they actually just changed the name at the top and inserted Him/Her.

MoreCrackThanHarlem · 21/09/2010 23:20

Bad teaching and poor management are problems for some inner city schools too

Our village primary has a young, dynamic head with a huge appetite for change and improvement

And I still don't understand why the police are involved

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fabsoopergroovy · 21/09/2010 23:25

OK - have posted this before but briefly HT falsified an LEA document relating to DD. DD over assessed by at least 2 whole academic years it transpired. This was identified when DD moved years and her new Yr teacher reassessed. DD was not the only one btw. I complained about HTs falsification and she was suspended, then dismissed by disciplinary panel of 3 governors and reinstated upon appeal by 3 further governors - I do not know why. My complaint was upheld in full and confirmation received in writing by LEA.

Knowing how dishonest she is and that she has returned to school and having followed due process, went to the police to see if a crime (ie, thinking of forgery) had been committed. The evidence is all there and has been substantiated but there was no 'pecuniary interest' so they would struggle to get the CPS to take the case. If I had gone to them in the first instance then I may have been successful using the public interest argument but obviously I thought it would all be sorted using the LEA procedures.

That's the police involvement.

Just before the summer the local press ran a story that 25 parents had removed their children to local schools because of the teaching and learning issues in the school.

LEA have thrown money at the school and progress was seen to be made whilst HT was suspended and dismissed. Now she is back, consultant heads are with her.

Ofsted have been in the last 2 days.

I'm really hoping you are following - thanks for your patience.

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catinthehat2 · 21/09/2010 23:28

police?

where do they come into this incoherent set of rants?

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fabsoopergroovy · 21/09/2010 23:30

catinthehat2 - feeling much calmer now - MN fabulous for venting and being incoherent!

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MoreCrackThanHarlem · 21/09/2010 23:36

Ok, still a little unclear on the details, but get the gist.
The school, in your opinion, is badly run, has poor teaching, and has possibly broken the law

Your dd is now at a good school and doing well?
Try to move on
Directing all your efforts into retribution against perceived injustices will not benefit your dd

sodacrystal · 21/09/2010 23:45

Gosh what a sad and extreme story! ( I am a HT of a primary school). This is an enormously rare situation, thank goodness.

I agree with the posters who say it is time for you and your DD to move on. You are in a new school and it's going well. Enjoy that and your DD and draw a line under the past.

(Not at all saying that to defend another HT - her comeupance will come, it always does, even if the wheels grind slowly).

And our education system isn't shitty. And good teachers make the best heads! (I am proud to be both a HT and a teacher. If anyone asks my job I always say I am teacher with the privilege of being in charge of a school. More teachers should do it - it's a great job).

catinthehat2 · 21/09/2010 23:48

OK , police explained now

What are you doing on here if there is a GTC hearing, where there will no doubt be legal rep for some of the parties concerned.

DOn't you think that a thread like this might be viewed as prejudicial now or in future hearings?

Youir case will be instantly identifiable from the detilas you have given

catinthehat2 · 21/09/2010 23:49

(details)

a detila looks like a cocktail

tinky19 · 21/09/2010 23:50

Schools have to choose top 10%ish for G&T so therefore top 10% in one school will be totally different from top 10% in another.
An IEP is not just for struggling children, it's for children who need something which is different or beyond their peers. If your child is offered an IEP or G&T status I would most definately agree to it as it means the school are agreeing to do structure your child's learning in some way specifically to suit them.

sodacrystal · 21/09/2010 23:52

Good point Catinthehat about it being predjudicial.

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fabsoopergroovy · 22/09/2010 09:49

sleep - am far more rational today

Crikey - I really hope I haven't jeopardised my chances with GTC. Have only reported facts that can be evidenced and expressed my frustration in the li8ght of my complaint being upheld in full (confirmed in writing by LEA).

Will just shut up for the time being from hereonin.

sodacrystal - good to hear from a headteacher. I sincerely hope mine is an extreme case. DC are getting a great education now but it's a shame it was necessary for us to move to see this. Sadly, this headteacher has brought your profession into disrepute and I have had to reassure myself that this has to be a one off. I too believe that she will get her comeupance in the end but sooner would be good to protect all those children who currently trust and respect her, rather than later. Thanks for posting.

Its a bugger.

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MollieO · 22/09/2010 09:58

What you've been through sounds horrendous but you need to focus on your dd and her new school and the fact that she is getting the support she needs. You know your child and fortunately don't seem to have been taken in by this HT.

Ds has SEN. His teacher suggested he be tested but he was too young. When he was old enough (later in the school year) she said he didn't need testing. I insisted that he was. His teacher was surprised by the results (which confirmed what I suspected) and he is now on an IEP and getting the help he needs.

VictorianIce · 22/09/2010 10:12

The point of G&T is that schools have to consider and cater for their brightest pupils. As someone has already said, it's generally the top 10%. 'Gifted' refers to more 'academic' subjects, whereas 'talented' covers more practical things like sport, music, drama, dance etc.

Casserole · 22/09/2010 11:24

I have read all your posts several times now and still don't realy understand what you're asking to have discussed in this thread.

But with regards to what's happened in the past, I think you've got to let this go now and move on, for your DD's sake.

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