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to be very disturbed by the treatment of Mary Bale (cat-in-the-bin-woman!)

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tweetymum · 26/08/2010 21:14

Hear me out first please!

She did a very wrong thing, and I would have been furious if she had done that to my cat. However, I am extremely disturbed by the way she has been portrayed by the tabloid and national media. First, I think it may be illegal to film people without their knowledge (I am not sure about the exact regulations) but I am sure that you have to be informed if you are being watched on CCTV. She may not have done this to the kitty cat had she known she was being filmed and the cat would have been spared its ordeal.

To them put said film on the internet and trample all over the person?s privacy, is imo, not a very nice thing to do. Perhaps, all the owners wanted to do was identify the woman. But there must have been other ways to do this? Take it to the police maybe? RSPCA? But to make the recording (which may have been illegal in the first place) and then post it without a thought of the way in which this person?s life would be affected is thoughtless in the extreme.

How would the owners of the cat feel if, due to their video, some psychotic animal lover seriously injured or even killed Mary Bale?

I am also very disturbed by the way the media have jumped on this bandwagon, with some pretty abusive things being said about her. Let?s face it, which of us has not reacted in some shit way when we are stressed? But we have not been made into national hate figures. And there are people who have done worse in their lives who get away scot free.

I think that what Mary Bale did to the cat was very wrong and she should be punished suitably. However, I also cannot condone, what I see as extremely irresponsible behaviour, by the owners of putting the video on what is essentially a window to the world and ruining the woman?s life.

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2shoes · 26/08/2010 21:16

yanbu

PerpetuallyAnnoyedByHeadlice · 26/08/2010 21:17

hang on, surely anyone is entitled to have CCTV at their home for security reasons - and you are on CCTv here there and everywhere in town centres, banks, shops, etc

not sure of the legalities of posting it on the net mind you!

QueeferSutherland · 26/08/2010 21:18

Hmm.

I think she may have been having some MH ishoos tbh.
I do feel a bit sorry for her.

Lauriefairycake · 26/08/2010 21:22

I think there is a civil liberty argument here - Amnesty are not keen on cctc in city centres.

The argument from the other side is 'if you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about'.

IMO very few crimes are actually caught on cctv - I can't remember the statistics.

But I do still agree with cctv as I think it makes people feel safer in city centres.

So because I agree with it in general then I have no problem with that awful woman being caught on camera.

As far as I know noone has done her any actual harm apart from besmirch her reputation - which I think she deserved to lose. I wouldn't be happy with a lynch mob or any criminal act being committed against her but I do think she should live with the shame of being caught and be prosecuted if she committed a cruel act.

tweetymum · 26/08/2010 21:22

QueeferSutherland, I agree. Her mother mentioned that her father was very ill in hospital. Its not an excuse for what she did to the cat, but think of all the stress she will be going through now. I read somewhere that she is also in danger of losing her job.

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Booboobedoo · 26/08/2010 21:24

tweetymum you are being far too sensible and balanced.

People like an excuse to throw back their heads and howl every now and then.

I think it's because she's such an easy target. Rapists/murderers/Boys who throw cats into phone-boxes with their pit-bulls are too frightening.

(I agree with you, btw).

HowAnnoying · 26/08/2010 21:24

YANBU - I feel sorry for her. It was a cat fgs in a bin, who lived and will have no lasting damage.

What the media and knobheads calling for her blood have done is ruin her life.

Poor woman.

tweetymum · 26/08/2010 21:25

Lauriefairycake, I have been reading a bit on CCTV regulations, and surely there should be signs up if the CCTV is recording random people off the street and not just for personal security? I know I would definitely not want to be recorded by an individual and then have the recording on the net.

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TimothyTigerTuppennyTail · 26/08/2010 21:25

"However, I also cannot condone, what I see as extremely irresponsible behaviour, by the owners of putting the video on what is essentially a window to the world and ruining the woman?s life."

Her extremely irresponsible behaviour could have ruined the owners' life.

And no, don't prattle on about it's only a cat. Some people love cats a lot. Some prefer cats to people.

Booboobedoo · 26/08/2010 21:26

Yes, but the fact remained that the cat is alive.

It might have died, but it didn't.

What she did was disturbing and wrong, but the response is out of all proportion imo.

japaneseknotwood · 26/08/2010 21:27

It's August.

Nuff said.

Lauriefairycake · 26/08/2010 21:27

I think the regulations are quite clear you are allowed to record people on your property to deter burglars etc.

And the bin was on the property so that means when she lifted the bin lid she could be recorded.

I think HmmGrin

tweetymum · 26/08/2010 21:27

Also, Lauriefairycake, what if one of these animal lovers does do her physical harm? We cannot predict these things, and when the Sun has a virtual 'splatter-her' board, how far away do you think we be some person who thinks she should suffer for what she's done, not just mentally, but physically?

The media have all but painted a target on her!

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GrimmaTheNome · 26/08/2010 21:27

I feel sorry for her - I've not really followed the story but watched the video and it looked to me like it was an extraordinarily bizzare case of brain fart - as someone on another thread said, a bit like putting your keys in the fridge.

tweetymum · 26/08/2010 21:28

would not we, sorry.

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violethill · 26/08/2010 21:29

It will certainly be interesting to see how this now develops, and whether the cat owners did breach any legislation by posting it on the internet.

I think this is a story that could go in any direction tbh. The tabloids could jump on the cat owning couple next, for breaching civil liberties. After all, the media have no loyalty to anyone - they'll run with a good story.

I agree with Laurie though about the woman's reputation. The fact is, she committed this very unpleasant and unecessary act, and now has to live with the fact that her reputation is affected by it. Wonder how she's coping with work Hmm

tweetymum · 26/08/2010 21:32

TimothyTigerTuppennyTail, I never once said it was just a cat. If you read my post, you'll see that I say that she should be punished. But there are other ways surely?

I am myself a cat owner, and currently living in a neighbourhood where there has been a psychotic person cutting cats in half. I am not letting my cat out until this person is caught. So no, I am not saying that she should not be punished.

I am only appealing for some perspective on the whole thing.

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japaneseknotwood · 26/08/2010 21:32

She still did it though. Brain freeze, what the hell? Misplacing something is one thing, but putting a cat in a bin? No. She looked around before she did it as well, to check no one was watching. She thought she'd get away with it and she hasn't, tough tits to her.

Hopefully no one will injure her though.

curlymama · 26/08/2010 21:34

The media have gone OTT, but the cat's owners did nothing wrong by posting their video on the internet. I strongly feel that if you have nothing to hide then there should be no problem about being filmed. if someone else goes out to take revenge on This woman, then it's that individuals reponsibility, or Mary Bales for doing something so horrible in the first place. It is definately not the fault of the cat owners.

Lauriefairycake · 26/08/2010 21:34

I haven't been on the other thread but it's not a brain fart or she'd have come back and looking round shows awareness of self and being observed.

QueeferSutherland · 26/08/2010 21:41

We are forgetting though the most heinous aspect of her crime...
She put non recyclable items in the recycling bin!Shock
In my borough, she'd be flayed and dragged through the streets by the council.Wink

ChocolateMoose · 26/08/2010 21:42

OK, she did a bad thing, but on the same day, lots of people did a lot worse and no one's running a mass media campaign to vilify them. Not sure about the CCTV angle, but I say YANBU.

musicmadness · 26/08/2010 21:43

If someone actually does her some physical harm then i will feel sorry for her. As it is i think she deserves to lose her reputation and if she feels threatened then tough quite frankly. She knew what she was doing was cruel and wrong and she did it anyway. I can't understand the "its just a cat" arguments, deliberately hurting/scaring something which is unable to fight back or defend itself is disgusting IMO. Of course i don't think she should be physically attacked but she should be prosecuted and any problems she is now having as a result of the film being made public are her own fault anyway. There might have been no one visible on the street but when you do something in a public area you always run the risk of someone seeing you.

BTW i think the CCTV is legal because the bin was on the owners property and you can film on your own property, but i'm not 100% sure on that.

tweetymum · 26/08/2010 21:50

'If someone actually does her some physical harm then i will feel sorry for her.'

But the media have made it a distinct possiblility that this could well happen. Is that fair to her at all?

We're talking about a human being here, who could be seriously injured or killed by irresponsible reporting.

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