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to think that ADHD/ADD is a load of nonsense?

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Breton1900 · 22/08/2010 11:17

Are we really producing ever more kids with these conditions or do parents simply need to take back control and realise that, at times, all kids can be obnoxious, loud, defiant, restless and fidgety and that strictly enforced rules for behaviour, lots of TLC, and the occasional smack on the bum may be the way forward?

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Altinkum · 22/08/2010 17:11

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borderslass · 22/08/2010 17:13

I must be honest and say that my sister DID use ADHD as an excuse for her sons bad behaviour she pushed for a diagnosis and he was medicated at the age of 4, he was still a little horror shit he was constantly shouted at for the slightest thing instead of ignoring the little things but no consequences where ever given.
He stopped taking the meds at 14 when he went to live with his dad and on the few occasions I have seen him he seemed a totally different young man and quite pleasant.
The funny thing is that my sister had diagnosed my ds at 18 months to me he was slow developing but just a boisterous toddler
in other respects.

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Niecie · 22/08/2010 17:39

I don't have a child with ADHD/ADD 'only' AS and dyspraxia so I can't talk about the symptoms from first hand experience even if there is an overlap between them and ASD symptoms.

I think you have spectacularly missed the point though. You might be right that all children exhibit some unfortunate behaviours at some point. That is probably entirely normal. The huge difference between NT children and those with a diagnosis is that those diagnosed don't just have one symptom of the condition, they have many and it is the fact that they have many that puts them way beyond what is normal. That is what requires them to have a diagnosis of a condition and everything that goes with it.

As for wearing the condition as a badge of pride, really???! Hmm As I say I have a DS who has a label who goes to a mainstream school, and I actually don't know for sure of any other child who has a label except maybe a couple with dyslexia. I can guess who might have a label as I know the symptoms and I know how many are on the SN Register but no parent will talk about it. People don't want to talk about it beause they don't want to be faced with judgement people like you telling them they are making excuses. It is hard enough coping with the conditions without having to cope with other people's prejudices.

Finally, not knowing what causes a condition doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I am currently writing a critical review of research on certain aspects of dementia. Do you deny that exists as well? Is that just old people misbehaving (can't blame their parents unfortunately which is a shame as that would be very convenient). Because scientists have yet to work out what causes that too. Isolating a condition and finding its causes takes years, especially when there might be multiple reasons for it - a lack of a cause is not a justification for denying it exists.

TheJollyPirate · 22/08/2010 17:42

My son doesn't even know he has this diagnosis (he's only 7) so hardly wears it as "a badge of pride".

snoozathon · 22/08/2010 18:08

I think Zapostrophe said it all quite succinctly.

Breton1900 · 22/08/2010 18:23

Adhdmum asked "Have you ever met a child with a dx of ADHD who wears it as a badge with pride?"
If you recall I referred to my own experience with young people and yes I've met many teenagers who have been diagnosed with ADHD/ODD/ADD and yes, quite a few have regarded their condition as an excuse for their behaviour and attitude and for their reluctance to do anything constructive.

I trust that answers your question.

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Tiredmumno1 · 22/08/2010 18:31

Bret i try reading your posts but all i see is blah blah blah blah.

Breton1900 · 22/08/2010 18:49

I'm intrigued by Lougle's comment wherein she wrote: "I have a daughter with (as yet undiagnosed) ADHD".

How can a condition be known when it has yet to be diagnosed?

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pushmepullyou · 22/08/2010 18:51

OP, what is 'your own experience'? Where do you come across these many teenagers?

Wrt teenagers and their 'reluctance to do anything constructive can you not see that

a) this is the equivalent of complaining that someone in a wheelchair uses it as an excuse to not go for a run, and
b) teenagers with or without adhd are often famed for their lack of constructive action. This in no way implies the non existence of the disorder.

I don't understand why this matters to you anywayy. It seems so far removed from your realm of experience

Tiredmumno1 · 22/08/2010 18:54

blah blah blah

Breton1900 · 22/08/2010 18:54

On a lighter note!

Many of you may well have come across this.

If you have not - have a laugh!

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 22/08/2010 18:54

oh god, it's still twunt week on MN. Biscuit

Tiredmumno1 · 22/08/2010 18:57

Blah blah blah

sapphireblue · 22/08/2010 18:59

words fail me tbh.......have a Biscuit OP. I refuse to feed you any further.

Lougle · 22/08/2010 19:14

Breton1900, what I meant by that is that at the age of 4 years 8 months, she fulfils

Diagnostic Criteria for ADHD
The official list of symptoms which healthcare professionals use to diagnose ADHD (diagnostic criteria DSM-IV1 or ICD-10)state that: -

The child must display either inattention or hyperactivity-impulsivity (or both) and symptoms must have been present for at least 6 months.

* Inattention. Usually at least 6 symptoms are seen.

      o Fails to pay close attention to details or makes careless errors in schoolwork, work or other activities

      o Has trouble keeping attention on tasks or play <strong>Attention span of 30 seconds without intervention</strong>

      o Doesn't appear to listen when being told something <strong>Completely oblivious to someone telling her something unless they say her name several times or touch her to get her attention</strong>

      o Neither follows through on instructions nor completes chores, schoolwork, or jobs (not due to failure to understand or a deliberate attempt to disobey) <strong>Completely unable to follow an instruction unless given constant reminders, because she sees something else on the way</strong>

      o Has trouble organising activities and tasks

      o Dislikes or avoids tasks that involve sustained mental effort (homework, schoolwork) <strong>SALT found it impossible to get her to sit and look at a book</strong>

      o Loses materials needed for activities (assignments, books, pencils, tools, toys)

      o Easily distracted by irrelevant information <strong>Gets completely side-tracked by someone's hairband, for example</strong>

      o Forgetful <strong>Extremely, although has a very good long-term memory</strong>

* Hyperactivity-Impulsivity. Usually at least 6 symptoms are seen.

      o Hyperactivity Squirms in seat or fidgets

      o Inappropriately leaves seat <strong>Very difficult to get her to sit at all.  Have to use a tray to keep her in her chair at meal times</strong>

      o Inappropriately runs or climbs (in adolescents or adults, there may be only a subjective feeling of restlessness) <strong>A danger to herself and needs constant supervision</strong>

      o Has trouble quietly playing or engaging in leisure activity <strong>Unable to play alone</strong>

      o Appears driven or "on the go" <strong>Has melatonin to sleep.  Can't sleep without medication.  Rarely rests.</strong>

      o Talks excessively <strong>Constant, doesn't finish one sentence before starting another, constant questioning, repetitive</strong>
        Impulsivity

      o Answers questions before they have been completely asked <strong>All the time</strong>

      o Has trouble waiting his/her turn <strong>Simply can't wait her turn.  Just can't, without support of someone holding her back</strong>

      o Interrupts others <strong>unceasingly</strong>

<strong> Symptoms begin before age 7 </strong>She is 4.8*

<strong> Symptoms must be present in at least 2 places, such as school, work or home </strong>Needed 1:1 support at preschool at all times*

<strong> The disorder negatively affects school, social or occupational functioning </strong>See last point*

<strong> The symptoms do not occur solely due to a psychotic disorder (such as schizophrenia) </strong>No*

<strong> The symptoms are not better explained by an alternative disorder (such as a mood, anxiety or personality disorder) </strong>Here she may fall down, because she has a brain malformation, which might explain it, but they just don't know.*

Just to further qualify, Breton1900, because you seem to want details. She is starting school in September and will go to a Special School. She needed full 1:1 support at preschool, both for function and safety. She has a Statement of Special Educational Need, which are only given to around 2% of children nationally, and not too commonly issued before the age of 5 (although on MN the proportion is skewed because we on the SN board give Damn Good Advice Grin)

Lougle · 22/08/2010 19:16

Oh, the only symtoms she doesn't meet fully are the ones that are inappropriate for her age, and wouldn't be expected of any child her age, i.e. organising herself.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 22/08/2010 19:27

Click here

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 22/08/2010 19:28

Lougle..anyone worth knowing believes you Smile

borderslass · 22/08/2010 19:36

lougle most health authorities wont diagnose before 6 anyway, we knew as did our GP when ds was 4 but he was 6.7 before a firm diagnosis.

Breton1900 · 22/08/2010 19:43

As for conclusive evidence it seems that the medical verdict is still out, as far as the diagnosis of adult and indeed even, to some extent, childhood ADHD are concerned.

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 22/08/2010 19:44

DO people really just fancy themselves as such intellectuals that they start threads like this in the interests of having a debate, without thinking for ONE second that they might hurt people?

Tiredmumno1 · 22/08/2010 19:46

blah blah blah

Tiredmumno1 · 22/08/2010 19:48

Fanjo why is it that mn attracts these idiots Grin

i blame the DM Grin

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