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to think that ADHD/ADD is a load of nonsense?

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Breton1900 · 22/08/2010 11:17

Are we really producing ever more kids with these conditions or do parents simply need to take back control and realise that, at times, all kids can be obnoxious, loud, defiant, restless and fidgety and that strictly enforced rules for behaviour, lots of TLC, and the occasional smack on the bum may be the way forward?

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ouryve · 22/08/2010 23:18

I don't even get the car, starlight, and I've got 2 kids with SN. I'm clearly doing it all wrong!

wasuup3000 · 22/08/2010 23:18

OO the DSM V must be wrong then cos the troll say so... yawn

he DSM-IV (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition) contains the Diagnostic Criteria for the most common mental disorders including: description, diagnosis, treatment, and research findings. Below is the Diagnostic Criteria for diagnosing Attention Deficit (Hyperactivity) Disorder:

A. Either (1) or (2)

  1. Six or more of the following symptoms of inattention have persisted for at least six months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with the developmental level:

Inattention

Student trying to Study

  1. often fails to give close attention to details or makes careless mistakes in schoolwork, work, or other activities
  2. often has difficulty sustaining attention in tasks or play activities
  3. often does not seem to listen when spoken to directly
  4. often does not follow through on instructions and fails to finish schoolwork, chores, or duties in the workplace (not due to oppositional behaviour or failure of comprehension)
  5. often has difficulty organizing tasks and activities
  6. often avoids, dislikes, or is reluctant to engage in tasks that require sustained mental effort (such as schoolwork or homework)
  7. often loses things necessary for tasks or activites at school or at home (e.g. toys, pencils, books, assignments)
  8. is often easily distracted by extraneous stimuli
  9. if often forgetful in daily activities
  1. Six or more of the following symptoms of hyperactivity-impulsivity have persisted for at least 6 months to a degree that is maladaptive and inconsistent with the developmental level:

Hyperactivity

  1. often fidgets with hands or feet or squirms in seat
  2. often leaves seat in classroom or in other situations in which remaining seated is expected
  3. often runs about or climbs excessively in situations in which it is inappropriate (in adolescents or adults, may be limited to subjective feelings of restlessness)
  4. often has difficulty playing or engaging in leisure activities quietly
  5. often talks excessively
  6. is often 'on the go' or often acts as if 'driven by a motor'

Impulsivity

  1. often has difficulty awaiting turn in games or group situations
  2. often blurts out answers to questions before they have been completed
  3. often interrupts or intrudes on others, e.g. butts into other children's games

Teenagers Talking
B. Some hyperactivity - impulsive or inattentive symptoms that cause impairment were present before the age of 7 years.

C. Some impairment from the symptoms is present in more than two or more settings (e.g. at school or work or at home).

D. There must be clear evidence of clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.

E. The symptoms do not occur exclusively during the course of a Pervasive Developmental Disorder, Schizophrenia, or other Psychotic Disorder, and are not better accounted for by another mental disorder (e.g. Mood Disorder, Anxiety Disorder, Dissociative Disorder, or a Personality Disorder).

Based on these criteria, three types of ADHD are identified:

  1. ADHD, Combined Type: if both criteria 1A and 1B are met for the past 6 months
  2. ADHD, Predominantly Inattentive Type: if criterion 1A is met but criterion 1B is not met for the past six months
  3. ADHD, Predominantly Hyperactive-Impulsive Type: if Criterion 1B is met but Criterion 1A is not met for the past six months.

The above information has been printed from the American Psychiatric Association: Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fourth Edition, Text Revision. Washington, DC, American Psychiatric Association, 2000.

OO and its american so it must be true!!!

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 22/08/2010 23:19
Tiredmumno1 · 22/08/2010 23:19

And statements are given for all kinds of reasons

Not that you would know that

Lougle · 22/08/2010 23:19

Before I switch off, I'd like it to be known that my DD1 is one of the most polite 4 year olds I know. Never fails to say please or thank you - she even thanked the nurse through her tears when she gave her the MMR, despite having been hysterical with fear (blood tests at the hospital have given her a phobia).

wasuup3000 · 22/08/2010 23:19

I have got used to living on 3/4 hours sleep now. Goodnight Lougle! :)

ouryve · 22/08/2010 23:20

psst... it's ADHD, not ahdd (whatever that is - actually, I'd love a day of hyperactivity deficit) that we're talking about here.

StarlightMcKenzie · 22/08/2010 23:21

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wasuup3000 · 22/08/2010 23:22

wake up hob nob here some ear defenders - for you x

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 22/08/2010 23:23

Cheers Wassup Sleep well Wink

sheepgomeep · 22/08/2010 23:24

my ds has a dx of adhd since the age of 6 and is on medication. He is more of the innatentive type but can also be very impulsive which at times is hard to manage. He has never been excluded although due to his impulsive tendencies has been in trouble at school a few times and a meltdown once or twice. If you just met him you would not think that he had adhd, he is clever and funny, kind mostly but in his everyday environment he can be a nightmare. He is nearly 11 but cannot sleep until two or 3 in the morning frequently which impacts on our lives too as he often wanders the house looking for things to do.

I am neither a bad parent or a soft one, he has rules boundaries and consequencies. My other children do not have this condition although my 7 yr old and my 3 yr old dd are lively and energetic, they are also well behaved.

I get very pissed off when its implied that my sons condition is somehow my fault. I knew he had problems when he was a baby, he was just different.

StarlightMcKenzie · 22/08/2010 23:24

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wasuup3000 · 22/08/2010 23:25

I will try we have 2 maybe 3 SEN kids in our house so I must be an extra shit parent with bugs on top...nn xxx

genieinabottle · 22/08/2010 23:26

Following Lougle's post.

My DS who has asd does not swear and is generally polite within his speech and social abilities.
My nephew nt, (same age as DS) swears and back chat everything his parent say purposedly. And his parents are a lot stricter than i am with my children.

wasuup3000 · 22/08/2010 23:26

Thanks star I think I will give it a go xx

ouryve · 22/08/2010 23:26

That's it - I sleep too much!

wasuup30000 · 22/08/2010 23:27

and me

MrsCrafty · 22/08/2010 23:28

Anyhow, your decisions to parent badly, thankfully don't affect me as I am used to little brats running around unchecked with the shout of AHDD flimsily thrown in after them.

Again, thankfully, my childrens school doesn't recognise this either. They are strict and don't put up with bad behaviour. They don't even believe in Dyslexia and children who were thought to have it, have now gone on to read & write quite happily.

I do accept that there are children who are brain damaged who DO NEED special schooling, living etc.

I am sad though, that people feel the need to go down this road of labelling their children when a good old fashioned, yes that old chesnut, bit of discipline may have worked.

I expect more flaming, but I simply don't care anymore. I can't stand by and see generation after generation feel that there is something wrong with them when it's their parents fault.

wasuup3000 · 22/08/2010 23:30

wasuup30000

Troll alert

StarlightMcKenzie · 22/08/2010 23:31

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genieinabottle · 22/08/2010 23:31

MrsCrafty, i'm so glad my ds doesn't go to the same school as your children!

StarlightMcKenzie · 22/08/2010 23:31

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NorwegianBlue · 22/08/2010 23:32

At last a sensible post.

wasuup3000 · 22/08/2010 23:33

Mrs Crafty are you just a dumb bitch? Oh Yes no need to ansa fuck off!

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