to think its irresponsible for my OH to leave our 2 yr old downstairs on his own?

[YummyMummy1208]

Argh!

I'm so angry with him rite now and generally since our little boy was born cos he just has no clue how to watch him properly but if i ever have a go at him its 'oh shes off again...' and switches off.

Is this just a general 'men' thing??

Thismorning is a prime example, hes been taking over morning duties of late due to me being 7 month pregnant so thismorning he takes DS1 downstairs and then i can hear him saying 'So r u gonna stay downstairs and be a good boy while Daddy has a shower?' now forgive me if im being unreasonable but surely im not the only one here thinking you dont leave a 2.5 yr old downstairs - on his own - while u go upstairs to have a shower??

Whats everyones opinion on this one - Am i being unreasonable to have a go at OH??

Nope, YABU & YANBU are both very acceptable answers here

Except when your being a twat...in which case YABU

And text speak is ridiculous...are you texting? no...use English then

Jesus lord. this is so funny, outrage over txt speak.

I like to type fast - text type allows me to do this, if a member on a decent minded peoples forum (like the one i regularly post on) sincerely asked me to right properly then i would but after the way i have been treated by people on this thread i wouldnt consider wasting my time. and i dont think many people would.
the crap about it being for the sake of dyslexic people is rubbish, it was just another excuse for u to attack and u all know it.

the thing is ym, if, when pointed out re text speak, you would of said 'oh sorry, I honestly didnt know about the readers etc' and then started typing correctly, I think you would of gotten a much better response.
As it is though, you decided that you were going to do it anyway, with absolutely no consideration for anyone but yourself, which actually makes you quite selfish.
I think you knew that you would get a bollocking.

Yes but YM in an online community there are always ways of doing things and thats just the way here - like at your other forum everyone uses text speak.

I actually find it much easier to touch type normally than I would using abbreviations - I would be there for blooming hours...

So YummyMummy, I count at least 10 to 20 responses that contained only positive advice and had no side to them. I include my own 2 in that. You have not replied to any of those directly, so far as I can see. You've only replied to the posts from people who are antagonising you. Why?

Emigrating to Canada? Really? Put your application in have you? Wheels in motion? PhD tucked under your arm? 10k in your purse? I'm going to assume that's why you can't afford a baby gate...

Full o' shite. :(

Two unplanned pregnancies from a barely literate, self-professed Maths genius?

Every single time someone comments about grammar - unless they have genuinely mentioned their own dyslexia in a bid for clarity of communication - there is a snobbery implicit in the comment.

If the message makes any sort of sense, it is grammatically correct from a linguistic point of view. The outrage at text speak is socially derived - regardless of the background of the person who is outraged. Sociolinguistics 101. Text speak is a form of non-standard English, most associated with young people and/or those who are working class. Would you consider the use of other forms of non-standard English equally outrageous - e.g. the Yorkshire person who says '9 while 5', the South Londoner who pronounces the 'th' as a 'f', the Irish person who says 'will we' instead of 'shall we'?

There is no good reason to believe that if we write in standard English that has any bearing on the conceptual level of the message. You could explain the theory of relativity in text speak if that floated your boat: the fact that I wouldn't understand it does not make the message any less complex.

I deplore the idea we should disguise our background and education when we write on an internet forum - as though there is something shameful about not being university-educated or well-to-do. If people choose to judge me on my grammar, my education or my background, the issue is theirs - not mine. I understand the necessity for the use of standard English at interview, in legal matters, in journalistic pieces, academic and report writing.. but this is a forum, for God's sake. Making a stand about someone's grammar in this context is simply rude.

StewieGriffinsMom, you are generalising about dyslexia.

I work with secondary students with severe and profound dyslexia related to speech and language impairment in a unit in a mainstream school. Some of these students actually rely heavily on text speak due to its phonetic nature: one has programmed his AAC device using texts peak as it's easier for him to remember how to get his message across e.g. gr8 vs having to deal with the complicated diphthong 'ea' which can be pronounced ay as in great, e as in read, ee as in read/dear etc. Same with 'y' for 'why' etc.

Thanks for the really quite patronising lesson arses. Lets have you rewrite that all in text speak and see how long it takes and if anyone can understand it at all which is surely the point.

I didn't say you were a snob, I said that all outrage at sociolinguistic difference is socially motivated.

I don't see your point with reference to disability issues related to text speak - the writing style of MN is equally exclusionary for the young people I work with, for example. We don't exactly do 'plain English' here but that's the nature of the board: I could equally say to you should members with poor sight be prioritised over potential members with limited vocabularies or who struggle to read long and complex sentences despite having high performance IQ's?

Personally, I can't do textspeak that well, despite the kids I work with needing it. I don't like it either. However, I don't think it's okay to call people who use it 'ridiculous', 'eejits' etc - ironically, SGM, for the same reasons you don't like it.
Also, because I don't think it's okay to disparage people with a different linguistic style to your own: you have no idea why they have that style and it's frequently less of a choice than you might imagine.

Cross posted, I see your point about text software. However, I don't believe most people who have a fit about it do it for that reason. They do it because it makes them feel superior. I don't like that.

Is that too patronising for you omnishambles?

"high performance IQs" + "writing like an uneducated fool" are usually mutually exclusive.

Forgive me if I fall in to the "snob" category, but as another poster earlier pointed out - if it's got feathers...

StewieGriffinsMom i didnt realise u wernt 'decent minded people' until after posting this thread. hence the change in my attitude half way thru!

knickers0nmyhead i dont bow down and apologise to people who were already by this point being down right rude to me. i wouldnt degrade myself.

as soon as i started this thread i had 'i feel sorry for ur poor OH!!' comments coming back at me which straight away was an over reaction. hence how this thread developed.

If you people had simply responded in a decent tone and said something like 'i understand its hard to let go of the control on something so precious as ur child but think how u are probably making ur OH feel...' then u would have gotten a better response back urselves. but u just jumped down my throat.

Am not sure thats the case arses - I think the language of the board forms part of its coherence - it offers a way for MN members to bond and anything outside of it becomes 'other' in sociological terms.

Maybe the 'fullspeak' enables members to manage the relationships much as they do in RL through the sorts of methods examined in discourse studies.

I think txtspeak is a choice a lot of the time for most people just as lots of my black friends have different 'voices' for different social situations - a street voice and an office voice.

I quite like the way that substance previals over quite a lot of style here. Of course YM could stick it out and be the only txtspeaker - much as cod did/does with her spelling but I think it unlikely.

Its not a superior thing arses its an ingroup thing. Noone cares who is in or out of the group but the group communicates within the rules.

SkiHorseWonaWean - "high performance IQ's" + "writing like an undeducated fool" = Specific Language Impairment or aphasia after very specific brain damage.

6% of the population have speech, language and communication disorders that impact upon their written communication.

Some of those "uneducated fools" also have lower performance IQ's, which I guess makes them entirely unworthy as human beings.

But I digress.

I understand that omnishambles: I adhere to it too, I write differently here than I do elsewhere (though no textspeak for me).

I don't even mind people objecting to its use - I just cringe when I see people say things like YABU for your grammar, or at your grammar or the name-flinging e.g. ridiculous, eejits etc etc.

I am lost now
anyone?

Yes please Sixty!

arses - OP claims to have a Maths degree - so one would not expect her to be an "idiot". Given that she is now pregnant with her second child and is in a (presumably) long-term relationship, one would also not expect that she has severly) stunted social skills - so for me, I'm afraid your argument doesn't wash.

Either OP is full of shit, or, OP is full of shit.