To think it is a waste of money having a enquiry into the death of Raoul Moat?

[blametheparents]

What a waste of time and money.
He killed himself, end of.

I can't help feeling that it's quite misogynistic.

He was a good guy, - I heard on the news the words "Gentle Giant" I also heard "victim of society". I've heard the opinion that it was somehow the ex-girlfriends fault. Which is my point above. It's the woman's fault. She took a good, decent man and made him do this.

Er. no.

I don't understand why he is being seen as a victim here. Two people are dead because of him. Another is injured. And it's just find a way to make it the woman's fault. Make him the victim of a cruel woman / uncaring society / terrible police force.

I know what you mean EleanorHandBasket I am def of the bleeding heart pinko liberal variety! But even I am cross that money and time is going to be wasted on this!

Whether one has sympathy for Moat or not isn't really the point. I thought that after all shootings where the police were present (maybe not involved) an enquiry was held as a matter of course?

Personally, I think it's a good idea. It gives the police a chance to detail their investigation and explain why they took the decisions they did. It was fairly obvious that they were withholding some information for operational reasons, so all of this will be reviewed.

Seems to me though that they did everything by the book and were right about a number of things, and was a good balance of keeping the media/public informed, but keeping some details on a need to know basis

The IPCC also has the ability to commend officers, and think a few deserve a lot of credit.

Hopefully it will be a cheap, short enquiry then!

He has family. It's not that clear cut.

I'm not defending, in any sense of the word but he has children who deserve to have answers.

He went nuts, the only people that can offer any answers seem to be the police through the enquiry.

I thought the enquiry was into the mistakes the Police made in preventing the shooting of his Ex girlfriend, and failing to apprehend him sooner.
He made very specific threats as he was released from prison and maybe three people wouldn't have been shot if the police had acted on those threats. The reverse of that of course is that if the police went chasing round after everone who made nasty threats towards others they would never have time to do anything else. Maybe there are lessons to be learned.

i saw a comment under an article online saying that the whole thing was caused by his exGF, he was destroyed by her, she broke his heart etc. of course this comment was by a man.

makes me sick.

I thought they tasered him? I'm not sure of the details and why they tasered him but someone holding a shotgun to himself and a taser gun don't really mix - but as I said I haven't read the details so might be completely off the mark.

Seemingly they knew alot more than was released to the public. Only right too.

he killed 2 people? i knew he killed his ex's new fella....who else?

course an inquiry is required.

I was wondering that as well tiff -

Yes, it is killed 1 and injured 2, sorry. Although the reports seem to me to be saying the ex might not make it? I must admit I have had to switch over more than I have watched because the coverage has annoyed me so much, as have many of the comments. I have found myself yelling at the screen.

That's exactly what I thought.

Pointing the finger at the ex-girlfriend is insane. If news reports are true about his abusing anabolic steroids, this man is probably psychotic.

Cannot imagine the outcome (Moat dead) could have been any different. The main thing is no one else was shot.

Can't see why an inquiry is needed at all.

I am bloody disgusted at how the media are suggesting the police are a fault for this.

They shouldn't be giving air time to idiots who are saying 'ooh he was a lovely guy, a gentle giant' Say that to the children and wife of the police officer he shot and seriously injured, or the family of his ex girlfriend who looks like she might not make it, or how about the family and loved ones of the poor sod he shot dead!

It makes my blood boil that they are doing this. It's sick.

The IPCC have to investigate any death that occurs where the police have been in attendance, so I don't mind that but the media are bugging the hell out of me.

Moat's ex girlfriend must have been 16 years old when they first started their relationship, when he was in his early 30s. I am so pleased that the psychologist BBC Breakfast has had on for the last couple of days has reiterated countless times that Moat was a paranoid narcissist who beat his girlfriend and when she left him he resorted to the previous week's events to try and regain control.

I saw an article in the Sun linked to on a thread from here a few days ago and the words 'dumped by his gf' leapt out of the page to me. Surely that implies that Moat was somehow not responsible for his actions - he was goaded into it by his wicked ex gf. But why should I be surprised by anything to come out of that misogynistic rag.

Right, I have ranted. YANBU blametheparents. No money should be wasted on a public enquirey into his death.

The inquiry is just a matter of process I agree its a waste of money, he pulled the trigger. Ive als read a few comments which seem to indicate the ex gf.
His children wont get answers from a police enquiry the only one who could have given them those didnt care enough to do so.
I hope there is a inquiry into how he was realeased if he made specific threats re ex gf. Surely the prson service could have kept him locked up especially as he was being released early rathe than letting him walk out and them tell the police. Seems like too little too late.
You cant police physcho's

Bollocks. Public inquiry sorry.

YANBU, he killed 2 people and threatened to kill more, he shot himself not the Police, they guy was crazy!

inquiry is supposed to be impartial robust review of procedure,decision making,chain of command.retrospective review perhaps understand events better

as base and violent as he was,a responsible police system needs mechanism for review.what was done well,what could be done better,any lessons learned

I've already spoken to someone today who blames the ex GF. She must have been bloody terrified of him and with a toddler to protect too, doesn't bear thinking about.

She'll have to start a completely new life should she recover given that it seems that the bloke had quite a few mates willing to help him. Poor woman.