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son violenty allergic to dogs and father (my ex) has one - advice?

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debra64 · 16/09/2004 22:29

Though I've posted on other peoples threads before I've never done this myself and I'm not even sure I'm raising this subject in the right place, but I think any input will be helpful at the moment so here goes!

My son is nearly 7 and one of his allergies is to dogs. We had a dog once which we had for one year, from being a pup, and he was fine with it. However, I moved house and a friend looked after the dog for a couple of weeks while the move was going on. When we got him back, in the new house, my son started reacting to him straight away. Over the course of a few hours he ranged from hay-fever type symptoms, with red blotches on the face to coughing and breathing difficulties. The emergency doctor came out and prescribed him a stronger anti-histamine than I had given him and also an inhaler as he said he seemed to be asthmatic. He advised me the dog had to go - I immediately took him back to the friend, who arranged for him to be rehomed. The doctor advised no contact with dogs as the reaction was quite severe and further contact may make it develop into an anaphylactic reaction.

Since then, after a couple of years, the doctor has said he is definitely not asthmatic. However he stil gets this asthmatic type reaction if he comes into contact with a dog.

My ex has now married a lady with a dog. He's promised lots of times to keep the dog locked away from the children when they have a contact visit with him. Each time they return I hear that this hasn't happened and my son has been ill, though my ex denies it. He says 'oh he sneezed a little but he's been fine'. I then hear from one of the boys that actually he coughed til he was sick and daddy had him up in the night, steaming him in the bathroom to try to help his cough. (I've told him not to do that and it doesn't work for an allergic reaction, in fact makes it work). He also gave him cough medicine which did nothing for the allergy and just gave him a chesty cough to go along with it.

I've supplied my ex with piriton to use and also an inhaler just in case my son gets breathing difficulties. This is in case there are any allergens around the house even though he promises he will vacuum thoroughly before they arrive and after the dog is supposedly locked away.

During the summer holidays there were a couple of incidences when I was with him and he had accidental contact with dogs. In one case a dog jumped up at him in the park. It touched his bear arms and licked his face. The reaction was quite frightening and very quick - faster and worse than the initial reaction I'd had at home. He got the same reactions - hay-fever type, breathing difficulties, coughing, but also his face and skin came out in red weals as if he'd been scalded. I wondered if the severity was because of having occasional contact with the ex's dog (he visits overnight once every 4 weeks). I saw the doctor, alone because the medicine worked and he was recovered after a few hours, and asked if this was likely. He said it was - and really he just needed to be kept away from dogs, altogether.

After a recent summer holiday visit to the ex it was clear from the conversation that the dog isn't locked away and my son had been ill again. Partly from the dog and partly because his new step-mother had baked cakes with eggs (which he is violently allergic to too) and told him not to be silly when he said he couldn't eat anything with egg in it - so he ate some and was sick. My son looked as if he'd lost weight, was pale and still had a cough from the contact with the dog.

I've been emailing my ex back and forth all week about this and have told him that I want a written guarantee that he (and his wife) will safeguard our son's health and ensure he has no contact with either eggs or dogs. He has ignored my request and just keeps emailing me asking when he can have them for a visit again.

I've even sent him articles on allergies and anaphylaxis to try to get him to understand my worries that continued exposure may cause him to develop a dangerous kind of reaction. I know its important for the boys to have contact with their father, but I feel like if I let my sons visit him at his home any more when its clear he's not willing to provide the written guarantee (maybe doesn't like lying in writing rather than verbally) then I am accepting that he isn't willing to give the guarantee and I'm allowing him to abuse my son and thats neglect on my part.

I emailed him last night to say if he won't give the written guarantee then I'm stopping contact visits to his house and will only allow supervised contact away from his home - maybe at a contact centre or something. I don't know anything about them or if there is one near but its worth looking into.

I know I've waffled a lot but I'm really going through it with this at the moment. My ex thinks I'm being awkward and overreacting to the situation. My hubby is away and wants to come home and knock the ex out! I'm sticking to my guns but not really sure wear I stand legally on this so its all very worrying.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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stupidgirl · 16/09/2004 22:34

How long does your son stay with his father? Is it possible that they could meet somewhere away from the house?

Could you get your ex to come with you to the dr, so the doc can explain the potential severity of the matter?

I think if he's putting your son at risk then you are justified in denying access, but as to how you can resolve the matter, I don't know. I don't know where you stand legally, I'm sure someone will.

Freckle · 16/09/2004 22:39

As the parent with primary care, it is your decision as to whether you comply with any contact arrangements. If you feel that your ex is placing your child in danger by ignoring the obvious threats to his health, then I would think you have little option but to stop the visits - at least on the current basis. You should document everything that has happened and write to your ex explaining your reasons for doing this (it sounds as though you have done this already).

If your ex is not happy with this, he will have to issue court proceedings asking that you reinstate the previous arrangements. You could then present your evidence, which I'm sure the court would view as sufficient to show that your ex is not putting your son's health very high on his list of priorities.

cab · 16/09/2004 22:40

Debra I think in your situation I would go back to your g.p., explain what has been happening and ask him/her to write a polite letter of advice to your husband. An epipen especially for his house might buck him up a bit!

beansmum · 16/09/2004 22:45

agree with cab. maybe if he has it explained by a doctor he will be less likely to put his son at risk. if he continues to ignore your request that he locks the dog away you might have to stop him having contact until you can sort it out.

from what i have heard contact centres can be a bit horrible so i would leave that as a final resort if you can't work anyhing lse out

nightowl · 16/09/2004 22:45

i dont have a clue where you stand legally debra but you have my sympathy. My ex had a dog which was quite vicious and i found out he was leaving my son with it whilst he went in the bath! it makes my blood boil reading this...to me your ex is being irresponsible...sorry dont mean to offend...i just think this is highly selfish of him. the other thing is that even if he vacuums and puts the dog away, thats no guarantee that all hairs will be removed and some kids do have a reaction so severe that this still affects them. i think you are doing the right thing by not letting your son go there...its just a pity his father cant see this. perhaps he could take your son out or see him at your house? could you get a letter from your GP to show your ex? sometimes they're so stubborn they wont accept it until its in black and white in front of them. just to add that its out of order for his stepmother to force him to eat things he is allergic to. what an awul situation {sad}

onlyjoking9329 · 16/09/2004 22:46

know where you are coming from on this i am the same with dogs cats and most animals, most people think i am over reacting, thing is it can be fatal, i have had too many near misses with this one, the worst being at hospital appointment, they have those pets for therapy dogs in there, his dad needs to be more aware and even if he doesnt go to his house then he will need to make sure he doesnt have dog hair on his clothes in his car, i wouldn't put your son at risk and would take some sort of action to ensure he is not put at risk

nightowl · 16/09/2004 22:46

as usuall i got there too late with my letter idea and didnt do the smiley right..grrrr....

debra64 · 16/09/2004 23:03

He has them usually for 24 hrs once every four weeks, which is not much but its all he can fit in. I really don't want to stop contact because they would be upset and I feel as if they'll blame themselves for telling me what has happened. Thats the position he's put them in by lying to me.

Last year he had them for a week in the summer hols (first time) and that's when he'd just moved in with his now wife, telling me that the house was arranged in such a way that he would easily be able to keep the dog seperate. What he didn't tell me was that there would not only be one dog there but that he was also looking after his now mother-in-law's dog as it was too old to go into kennels. I only found this out when my allergic son came back looking ill and his younger brother had a scab on his face, having been bitten by the other dog.

He was really apologetic and said the other dog would never be near them again. I was flabbergasted, frustrated, furious - all the F's - but at that point he seemed sincerely sorry and promised that the dog wouldn't be near them in future.

This summer he had them for two weeks and the effect on my allergic son was more obvious than the time he was there a week and the times since where he's only been there overnight. He told me he'd been fine, but then of course I hear the horror stories from the boys, eventually.

I've told him he can visit them at our house and I'll keep out of the way so they have privacy. I've said he could visit them and take them out locally - we have some lovely parks nearby. He says he feels uncomfortable with coming to my house and doesn't want to take them out nearby - he wants them at his house.

He's so adamant about it I'm wondering if he has consulted a solicitor and thinks he's on firm ground. He is a policeman and his wife is part of a family firm which probably has a solicitor. I can't really accept that I would be forced to let them go to his house anymore but I am worried. Perhaps I should see a solicitor.

Thanks for your comments - its made me feel like I'm not being hard on him at all, as he thinks I am.

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debra64 · 16/09/2004 23:04

Might ask the doc for a letter - do they do things like that? If it ends up going to court the 'proof' would probably be useful too.

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nightowl · 16/09/2004 23:07

they will do that if you ask. there is usually a charge of about £10 i think but its well worth it IMO. just explain what you want and why and they should do it. im no expert but i really dont think he can force you to let your child/children go there. its not like you are denying access after all.

debra64 · 16/09/2004 23:10

that phrase was in the last email I got 'are you denying me access' - sounds a bit legalise hence wondering if he's consulting a solicitor. I'll make an appointment with the doc asap and hope they are not too busy.

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cab · 16/09/2004 23:12

Debre TBH just hoovering and no dogs around isn't adequate. If he really wants to see his son he should re-home the dog. I'm VERY allergic to dogs and takes me days to recover after a reaction. Think it's their skin shedding that's the problem rather than hairs.

I'm sure the doc could help you out on this one - BUT the doc advised you NO dogs and think he should give your husband the same advice - with good reason. (If that's a no go your husband could hire a cottage for the weeks your son visits to minimize the risk.)

nightowl · 16/09/2004 23:31

he could well have consulted a solicitor. im just presuming here but if you have offered him alternative arrangements then i dont see how any proffessional could say that you were being unreasonable? has he said why he doesnt want to take them out? i cant understand why that is so unacceptable to him and if it is then surely he should re-home the dog and solve the problem. i cant imagine it going in his favour if it went to court.

aloha · 16/09/2004 23:57

Well the legal term now is 'contact' not 'access', so I would say that he hasn't had legal advice. I think you are justified and agree that a doctor's letter might be helpful in both persuading your ex to comply with your son's health needs and giving you backup if he doesn't and this ends up in court. Frankly, I'm a bit horrified he can't fit his son in more than once a month and that he wants a dog more than a healthy child.

nightowl · 17/09/2004 00:16

didnt know that aloha...perhaps that phrase was a slight scare tactic then...bit of a bluff perhaps to make debra think he knew his rights etc?

toddlerbob · 17/09/2004 01:32

What a horrible thing for your son to have to spend time with an animal that he is so allergic to so he can see his dad. The cake thing is unforgivable, I hope she enjoyed cleaning up his sick! They definitely need to be made aware that being exposed like this is going to prolong his allergies and possibly bugger up him growing out of them eventually.

The new woman needs some new recipes and that dog needs to go - NOW.

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edam · 17/09/2004 09:13

Think all the advice about getting your ex to see the GP or a specialist or getting them to write to your ex is good. Keep a note of your conversations/letters/print out your emails with your ex and write down exactly what has happened to your son with regard to allergic reaction.
Don't know if it might be worth you seeing your solicitor and getting them to send a letter to your ex pointing out your son's health problems and instructing him to remove this very serious risk to your son's health, either by getting rid of the dog and cleaning the house and car thoroughly or by visiting your son in your house or taking him somewhere without dogs. The letter should outline your concerns, your son's medical condition and what has happened on previous contact visits - dog bite, eggs and all. It should detail the alternative arrangements you've offered him, so he can have contact but in a safe environment for your son. Your have to put your son's safety first.
HTH

MeanBean · 17/09/2004 09:32

Debra, make the letter very businesslike, give a list of the times your ex and wicked stepmother have put your son at risk, and emphasise that you are not denying him contact. He is welcome to see his DS at any time, in an environment which does not place DS in danger.

He has chosen to make his home an unsafe place for his DS, and he has allowed his wife to feed DS a dangerous substance for him. He is placing his DS in danger.

Remember, you're not writing the letter for him, you're writing it for a judge. Make sure it's a letter you're happy for a judge to see.

debra64 · 17/09/2004 10:19

Thanks for your input everyone. I've actually put it all in writing to him on email as I thought that could be used in court. I starting writing to him and refuse to talk to him verbally because it just degenerates into an argument - and in any case he makes promises verbally and doesn't stick to them. I thought that if he gave the promise in writing he might stick to it - and if he didn't, I'd have proof that he had promised and had broken the promise.

I've told him that its the skin that comes off the dog with the hair that is the problem and he told me he had an air filter - but it turned out it was simply a dehumidifier with no air filter because there house is damp (which also doesn't help the breathing difficulties).

I've checked the emails and he did use the word 'contact' rather than access in the last one but that maybe because I was using that word.

He has picked them up in a car with dog hair all over it and has returned their clothes covered in dog hair - still insisting the dog gets nowhere near them. My son spoke to me on the phone during the summer visit and was upset that he had been put in a seperate room from his brother and had no video to watch. I asked my ex if this was because he had been having problems getting them to sleep (they have their own rooms at home) and he said it was. When they came home they told me it was because the dog had been sleeping in their room and my son had been really ill through the night, so they moved him. This reminded me of the time they let the dog roam (in his old house, where it visited with his then girlfriend because it was 'cruel to leave the dog at home') and he was ill because they were sleeping on a mattress on the floor and woke up with the dog sleeping next to them. There seems to be no common sense - its obvious to me that if a dog can curl up near to the floor with kids, it will.

What I really hate is that its the boys who tell me and they might think its their fault they can't go to his house anymore. I wouldn't put it past him to say to them its their fault for telling me about the dog. I'm just going to tell them that Daddy can come and see them any time, or take them out, but just not to his house because of the dog.

Going to ring the docs now and see if I can discuss the problem on the phone - if not make an appointment.

The last time I spoke to them they said he wasn't at the stage of needing an epipen but continued contact may exacerbate the problem and cause him to get to that stage, which is my worry.

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Avalon · 17/09/2004 11:04

I don't know if it's still the case, but there was a time when an e-mail didn't hold up in court. Anyone know?

IMO, a letter, sent by registered post (so you know he received it) and perhaps copied to the GP, would show him that you are serious and show a judge that you have been reasonable (in stopping visits to your ex's house) and are only acting to safeguard your son.

bunny2 · 17/09/2004 11:13

People who put their pets before their children make me so bloody mad. My ds has severe allergies and we carry epipens and piriton everywhere. He has been exposed to allergens by mistake on several occasions but I'd not tolerate anyone purposely and knowingly putting him in potentially dangerous situation. If it were my ex, I'd be talking to a solicitor right now just in case things did get nasty - I hope they dont for your sake and that of your sons but your ex sounds like an arse to me. It is his son he is putting at risk ffs. Good luck.