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"Sorry I forgot she's not your child"

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namechange2009 · 15/01/2009 19:54

This was said to me by a counsellor I am seeing for stress related problems and I must admit I was gobsmacked when she said it. It came up when I was discussing DD's birth relations and the counsellor was initially puzzled then remembered my DD was adopted. Previously she has also referred to my DD's "real" parents. The reason I am seeing her is not directly related to my DD, who we adopted 4 years ago, but I have spoken to the counsellor about my DD's adoption issues for a couple of sessions about a month ago. I am not too bothered by the fact she forgot but more by her terminology - I know she doesn't mean that I am not my DD's mother, it's just her way of expressing it but surely a counsellor should be more sensitive to their use of language than this! OTOH I believe she is beginning to help me with the problem I have so I don't really want to change counsellors.

Am I right to be put out by the way she talks about adoption? I am thinking of looking for an article about 'positive' adoption language

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HelenBurns · 15/01/2009 19:56

I'm sorry she upset you

I'll be interested to read what terms to use as I'm currently struggling to explain adoption to ds1, whose little friend is adopted. I am trying to do it without using those terms but it's hard to know what's acceptable.

beanieb · 15/01/2009 19:57

I think you would be right to raise it with her. You felt comfortable with her and this issue makes you feel uncomfortable. If you explain it the way you have here then I think it will be ok.

quint · 15/01/2009 20:00

Find yourself a new counsellor

quint · 15/01/2009 20:01

Sorry that sounded harsher than it meant to .

She should know better than to use that terminolgy and I'm not sure that I would trust her enough to carry on seeing her.

NotQuiteCockney · 15/01/2009 20:01

I'd raise it with her. It's insensitive, to put it mildly.

(Glad to hear you weren't offended she forgot, I've forgotten a few times, with friends of mine who have adopted kids. I'm sure I haven't used the word 'real' parents, or said 'she's not your child', though!)

KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 15/01/2009 20:19

lots of people forget - I think thats perfectly normal and plenty of people call DS's birth mother his "real" mother. They don't mean anything by it.

Most people who havent come across adoption first hand often really dont realise that afetr the intial period your children really do feel 100% yours. I think they think there must be a 2% missing somewhere and why they seem to choose language like "real".

If anyone asked about DS's real mother I very swiftly say "Do you mean his birth mother?

AGree it is a bit odd that a counsellor isn't sensitive to this.

namechange2009 · 15/01/2009 20:21

Helen I suppose I would have expected her to say "Sorry I forgot she's not your birth child". I immediately said to her "so you think she's not my child?" to which she replied "no, I forgot she's not your natural child" said in a sorry way. Still she's been a counsellor for 10 years and I am shocked but luckily not hurt by her comments.

quint, she is very experienced and has been a huge help with some issues.

I will speak to her again and won't change but suprised she could get so far in her career without learning a bit about adoption.

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KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 15/01/2009 20:23

HB - how old is DS1

The generally accepted term is "birth parents"

Usually the explanation, unless the child is old enough to consider some pretty serious issues, is simple - everyone has a birth mohter and father when they are born and most people stay with their birth mother and father. But somepeople can only look after themselves and so that child/baby is adopted by a new mummy (and daddy) who can after them forever.

HelenBurns · 15/01/2009 20:28

Thankyou both, Hi Kew, he's 5 and a half.

The hardest thing for him actually was when I was trying to explain why his friend's birth parents (yes that sounds much better! - I was saying 'mummy and daddy who had him when he was a tiny baby') couldn't keep him. He looked very worried, I didn't know the exact details, I think it was an unhappy family set up with poss. a violent father as he was taken without full consent.

I'm afraid ds thinks he or his brother might be taken too, without a clear distinction iyswim.

Sorry to hijack the thread. Perhaps I ought to start my own, or just have a read through the archives.

Namechange09 - do you think you will go back to her or try to find a different counsellor?

HelenBurns · 15/01/2009 20:30

Sorry cross posted, I am slow typer

I hope you find a way to clear the air with her.

KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 15/01/2009 20:34

I think if you stick with the "some people can only look after themselves" line, say how its lucky that most birth mothers and fatehr can look afetr themselves and any number of children and ask him whether he think mummy and daddy make a good job of looking after him.

Most children will settle down after being reasusred its not likely to happen to them.

If he seems very anxious perhaps you could work on a list with him of what you need to do to look after children and tick them off with him (hopefully you will be able to tick them off) - focus on things which relate to safety and care and love not added extras.

I tell DS (which is true) that I had to promise the judge that I would look after him and love him and send him to school and give him healthy things to eat so he grows big and strong and take him to the doctor if he's sick. You know, the real bare essentials.

namechange2009 · 15/01/2009 20:37

Thanks helen I will probably go back and put a flea in her ear. We have also said first mother and other mother to DD depending on circumstances. I'm not too bothered in general if people get it wrong and will correct them like kew said, after all I would have said the same things myself before I adopted. I just think a counsellor should be more aware. Thanks for caring about what to say.

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KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 15/01/2009 20:40

I used to think before I adopted that I would use the phrase "first" mother but I can;t bring myslef to now becasue it implies the possibility of there there being and endless number! I stick to birth mother or her first name when talking to DS, and birth mother to other people.

HelenBurns · 15/01/2009 20:50

Thankyou very much and I really appreciate your help.
It can be a bit of a minefield can't it!

solidgoldsoddingjanuaryagain · 15/01/2009 20:55

It can go on being a minefield. My mother occasionally makes wistful remarks about not being DS's 'real' grandma, though I tick her off for it and point out that she saw him born, how much more of a grandma can she be? (I was adopted. 44 fecking years ago. How much more my mum can she be?)

Sycamoretree · 15/01/2009 21:11

Helen, I once, to my utter horror and shame, used the phrase "it's not the same as when they are your blood is it" when talking to a friend whose DS is adopted.

The irony is, I was using the phrase in the context of discussing my ex-nanny (who first befriended this lady) and who was prone to handing out advice to her on how to deal with her, at times, bit of a handful DS.

I said something like "that's all very well for her to say, but it's harder when their your own blood, isn't it?". Just meaning, it's sometimes easier for a nanny to take a hard line than it is for a mother who is bonded utterly to the child.

God knows WHY I used that phrase, because it's not something I ever have said before or since - it just sort of, popped out. In the moment I forgot her DS was adopted - it's not something I think about. She's his mother, he's her son.

In fact I meant "it's not the same as being bonded to and loving your child as it's mother". It came out in this really ill-advised way.

It was terribly unpc of me in hindsight, because it suggests I think the bond between parent and child is in some ways dependent on a genetic link, which of course is utter cock.

I am just sharing this story to illustrate, hopefully, that sometimes ill advised phrases pop out of people's mouths that aren't quite as ill-intentioned as they seem.

amandathepanda · 16/01/2009 10:00

Sycamoretree - I can understand you making a slip-up like that. Like you say, you forgot that your friend's DS was adopted because to you they are just a mum and her son .

I know some mums who refer to the birth mother as "tummy mummy" or (in case of Chinese adoptive children) "China mummy". I don't like this because, as far as I'm concerned, it's the woman who does the mummy things that should be called mummy. So my daughter can have many mothers - birth mother, foster mother, godmother, grandmother - but only one mummy (me!). Until she's a bit older and then I'll be her one and only mum

KristinaM · 16/01/2009 10:08

namechange - i can unuderstand why you were hurt and agree that a counsellor should be more aware of the impact of language

rather than " real" or " natural" she shoudl be saying birth parenst or biological parents

i woudl say " i didnt give birth to her" rather than " Shes not my birth child"

namechange2009 · 16/01/2009 15:18

Wasn't hurt Kristina just shocked and confused as she seems such a good counsellor in many other ways.

Just for the record I don't get upset when people say these in day to day life, I will jsut correct them. As I said before I probably would have said the same things myself before adopting. It's also nice that people forget your child is adopted, that it's not the most important thing about them.

However I do wonder how it will affect my DD when she hears people saying "Oh, she's not your mother/real mother?" etc

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LadyLiffey · 16/01/2009 15:21

She is your real child. That woman was incredibly stupid to say that. All the more astonishing and insensitive from a counsellor. Is she still training?????

LadyLiffey · 16/01/2009 15:25

I refer to birth mothers as 'biological mothers'. Is that a bit too clinical?!

namechange2009 · 16/01/2009 15:39

tbh LadyLiffey i find birth and biological mother both clinical, they make the 'birthmother' sound like some kind of reproductive machine when there is obviously so much more to it than that. But as I haven't found anything better (that isn't too twee for my tastes anyway) I do tend to use birthmother as 'biological' is difficult for my DD to understand or probably even say!

The counsellor has about 15 years experience!

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KristinaM · 16/01/2009 15:47

some APs use " tummy mummy" for young children

KewcumbersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 16/01/2009 22:31

I just can't bring myself to use the words "tummy mummy" am just not fluffy enough! I'm an accoutant for heavens saek I have a reputation to uphold.

Issy · 16/01/2009 22:43

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