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School-refuser, lots of issues, need advice

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 10:27

Hi all I am a long term adopter and big advocate of adoption but have hit a real bump in the road with my 14 year old boy. He is a school-refuser, lots of issues, and I need advice, please.

He won't attend appointments and I wonder if anyone is around today to give some advice about dealing with a controlling child.

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rabblenotrebel · 11/01/2025 10:38

I'm sorry things are hard just now.

Have you done NVR training? What are school offering? If he won't attend appointments would anyone do a home visit from camhs etc?

It's incredibly difficult when you've got an adult sized person with toddler style emotional system.

Arran2024 · 11/01/2025 10:40

Hi. Sounds hard.

Does he have any diagnoses? EHC Plan? Is he in mainstream? Are you getting any help?

One of mine has PDA and very controlling, though never school refused and she's an adult now. A lot of problems disappear once they are older and have more control.

Patchyman1 · 11/01/2025 10:46

I know it's probably completely the wrong thing to do but appointments we have had to get to, hospital, paediatrician etc, we have decided on a reward for after such as mcdonalds, meal deal, robux etc.
School refusal, is this a new thing, has something happened to make them not want to go or is this a longer term issue?
My 2 are extremely controlling and the only way we have found to get them somewhere they have to be is to let them think they have "won". We have also made up appointments that we then use those to negotiate on. So "OK we don't have to go to this (made up one) but we do have to go to the one tomorrow"
Like I say probably against all "proper parenting" but works for us.
I do feel your pain.

Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 10:53

Oh wow I have got replies already. Thank you. Let me digest and come back to you. I have not posted much lately. I don't feel able to give advice as things have hit a rough spot at home but I want to ask for advice.

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 11:03

Thank you @Arran2024
Does he have any diagnoses? No, adoption council were thinking of getting one but it moves slowly.
No EHC Plan.
He in mainstream?
We are getting some help from school and have had counselling.
"... problems disappear once they are older and have more control." I agree but I worry he will not get employment if he stopped school at Year 9.
Thank you @Patchyman1
Have offered reward for after such as McDonalds, he is un bribable!
re "School refusal, is this a new thing, has something happened to make them not want to go or is this a longer term issue?"
His romantic girlfriend left to live overseas and that really shook him. Another loss.
Re "My 2 are extremely controlling and the only way we have found to get them somewhere they have to be is to let them think they have "won". We have also made up appointments that we then use those to negotiate on. So "OK we don't have to go to this (made up one) but we do have to go to the one tomorrow" Great advice. I may try that. Thank you. Xxxxx

Also 'Hello' to other regulars....

@Ted27 @Jellycatspyjamas @Torvy @121Sarah121, @tonyhawks23 sorry to miss any regulars off!

Feel free to personal message me if you like.

I have not been on here much because my husband and I are both so worried about our son, I'll call him Cassius (not his real name). A bit more info...

We are worried about him for school refusing. This is his Year 10. His GCSE year and he seems to be wasting his life. In bed all day and not engaging. Tried counselling, bribery, threats etc - nothing works. Have friends with non-adopted kids going through the same kind of thing.

He is also not eating well and I want to get him a blood test but he won't go to Gps. He is also due an eye check and a dental check is long overdue, he is refusing.

We have had issues with phone use and have had times of trying to take devices away, which have led to major arguments bordering on fights!

We turn WiFi off at night but he still manages to use his phone. He has friends in the USA and wants to talk to them at night.

Do I give him the chance to make these appointments on his own terms and face the consequences of not attending? He is a controlling boy and I wonder if giving him responsibility might be one answer?

The school have regular meetings with him at home and he does comply with these.

I love my boy and I feel quite powerless at the moment.

Any advice welcome.

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 11:04

@rabblenotrebel

Not done NVR. Yes it is so hard. That is why we stopped taking phone away. He is taller than me.

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 11:06

@Arran2024
That should say he is on mainstream....

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Patchyman1 · 11/01/2025 11:13

What about a mentoring programme? Ours have both been out of school at some point (both now in specialist schools) but while they were out we and the school had them with mentors. Actually thinking about it youngest had his mentor take him to visit his new school as he didn't want us to. The mentor was way younger and cooler than us!

121Sarah121 · 11/01/2025 11:18

Hi @Italiangreyhound i am sorry things are so tough and I am really glad you have reached out.

do uou think he is physically unwell causing fatigue or do you think his lifestyle is causing the decline in his health? Depending on the answer, you will know whether to force the gp. Might be worth a talk regarding mental health. The other ones, i would be inclined to make an appointment in a few months time and if he is still unable (I use unable as I think it’s more reflective than unwilling) then cancel it with notice. If he isn’t able to go now, he won’t make an appointment.

sounds like school isn’t meeting his needs. Does your local college offer courses for kids like your son? I know a local one that offers small courses based on life skills with the aim to working towards further education (including exams). Classes are really small and start from age 14. Might be worth exploring for when his mental health is in a better place.

can you spend time together? Is it worth going backwards in terms of attachment building? Teenagers tend to move attachment towards friends/romantic relationships but he has lost his. Can you help him rebuild it with you? Can he tolerate you being close and spending time together? Are you at work during the day? Is he at home alone? I can imagine seeking out others online meets that need (companionship).

Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 11:23

@Patchyman1
I love the idea of a mentor. I will see what I can do.

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 11:28

@121Sarah121

I think lifestyle is causing the decline, poor diet and sleeping all day. I wanted the GP appointment to test blood but he won't go

I think the college is a great idea. They do have one near us but it is the kind of last resort and school haven't suggested it yet.

He is out alone as husband and I both work from home and some is usually gone for the dog.

Cassius doesn't want to be with me. It breaks my heart. But I will try. Sometimes a game of chess or a visit to McDonald's might work, not as a bribe, just as a thing to do together. He is so angry with me that we are turning off wi fi at might.

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 11:30

Sorry should say He is not alone

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121Sarah121 · 11/01/2025 12:49

i can hear your angst and dispair. College could be one of a few plans that you can look into. Home schooling? One to one tutoring? It might be worth exploring a few options for the future.

it sounds like he may s addicted to whatever he is doing online. It’s meeting a need. Do you know what he is doing online? Can you try and work out what he is getting from it? I can imagine if it is an unhealthy way of meeting that need then you take that from him, it’s bound to impact your relationship. Imagine someone telling you you could never have your thing? You could never use your phone again? Have a coffee? Why? Because it’s not good for you. Regardless of how much you NEED it.

would he tolerate playing online games with you? Would he let you into that part of his life? If not, online turn base chess or board games might be a way in?

rabblenotrebel · 11/01/2025 13:10

Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 11:04

@rabblenotrebel

Not done NVR. Yes it is so hard. That is why we stopped taking phone away. He is taller than me.

I recommend NVR, can be paid for by ASF via post adoption support. Mentor is a good plan.

I think that often parenting teens is keeping them safe until they get frontal lobe function, and avoiding any irreversible harm... So sex, drugs, rocknroll... Education can come later. The difficult thing is that with the internet, the bad stuff can happen in the "safety" of their own room!

Be a nuisance to post adoption support, camhs, school etc is my advice.

Arran2024 · 11/01/2025 13:51

Hi. I was a bit confused by what you said about a possible diagnosis by an adoption council? Do you mean the placing or your LA? Social services or education? Or post adoption support? Tbh I'm not sure what they can diagnose. I was thinking more of paediatricians, Ed psychs, psychologists, psychiatrists at CAMHS, that sort of thing. Has he ever been seen by any of these?

Anyway, I suggest you join school refuser Facebook groups to start with. Then contact SOS!SEN for advice about getting support, maybe an ehc plan even. You might be advised to get him assessed by an Ed psych privately. Also maybe an OT and Speech and Language therapist. You can then use their reports as evidence that he has needs that are not being met.

Thing is, at 16 everyone starts over again. He could go to a 6th form or more likely a course at a local college. Of course not having good GCSEs restricts his options but it's not the end of the world.

The main thing imo is to focus on your relationship with him, keep him regulated and not being violent and keeping him out of the criminal justice system. Everything else is secondary.

I do think you should consider NVR btw xx

Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 14:04

@rabblenotrebel
@@Arran2024

Thanks so much. I cannot really see the benefit of NVR as he is not violent or even aggressive.

Re " I was a bit confused by what you said about a possible diagnosis by an adoption council? Do you mean the placing or your LA? Social services or education? Or post adoption support? Tbh I'm not sure what they can diagnose. I was thinking more of paediatricians, Ed psychs, psychologists, psychiatrists at CAMHS, that sort of thing. Has he ever been seen by any of these?"

re - Do you mean the placing or your LA - yes, the county couneil administers the post adoption fund and maybe able to facilitate to see if ASC or ADC or ADHC are part of his make up. But I am not sure they are.

re "...paediatricians, Ed psychs, psychologists, psychiatrists at CAMHS" he was seen by CAMHS and is still awaiting a re-referral to the trauma area. The issue is that he will not enagage with us or anyone else very much, so I am not sure anyone can get much out of him.

I really do appreciate all this good advice.

Yes, I will rally focus on our relationship.

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 14:09

Really focus.

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Italiangreyhound · 11/01/2025 14:18

@121Sarah121
Yes it is filling a need. However he does get to do it all day if he wants to.

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Jellycatspyjamas · 11/01/2025 14:20

Ah it’s lovely to see you @Italiangreyhound, I was wondering how you’re doing and I’m sorry you’re struggling. The teen years are tricky - my DD is 13 and we’re coming up against stuff that has never been an issue before.

The thing to remember is that the teen years are all about young people establishing a sense of identity, which can be very difficult when their sense of self is impacted by adoption and loss. It’s also a time when we get another bite of the cherry in terms of attachment - which means lots of consistency, responsiveness and iron clad boundaries - so they feel safe enough to push.

My DD has a lot of health appointments but also finds all things health care very stressful. Things that have worked is not booking more than one appointment a week (which was very tricky when she had a weekly CAMHS session, weekly blood tests etc). She also knows some appointments are absolutely non-negotiable and we set those out on a calendar so she can see when they fall. I too bribe where need be, I’ve also marched her out to the car and pretty much forced the issue where something has been essential.

In terms of school, I find it helpful to think in terms of being in education. So for my DD it means specialist school provision which is far from academic but gives her a routine, some social life and covers the basics. It also means theatre school once a week because she absolutely loves performing and while there may tears and tantrums to get her there, once she’s there she really does love it.

Could you look at options, eg he goes to school, works either a tutor X hours a week, does independent study, goes to college but he needs to pick something and do it regularly. I not worry too much about exams, he can always resit or study later in life. Just now it’s about getting him to adulthood in one piece with your relationship intact.

In terms of screens, I don’t fight her during the day even though it means much more time than I’d like. We have a strict screens downstairs after 10.00pm and never overnight. If she has something specific she wants to do later on, she does it downstairs where I can keep an eye on her (which has proved much needed on more than one occasion).

While he’s a teenager and needs more freedom, he’s also 14 and needs boundaries and guidance. To be honest the level of conflict sometimes on my house is more than I’d like, but I’d rather have the conflict than have her being exploited online, in bed 20 hours a day and wasting her life. I do pick my battles carefully but really fight the ones that feel like they matter.

Some of what you’re describing sounds like usual teen stuff, and it’s hard to separate out unwilling from unable. What are you prepared to live with/accept and what are your bottom lines?

Patchyman1 · 11/01/2025 14:21

Bit of an odd question, how fond of the dog is he? And how amenable is the dog? We have a dog who the kids love way more than they love us! He is often used in bribery cases! He has been known to come to the optician and barbers with us (doctors etc wouldn't let him in understandably) and then we go to the pet shop after to get him a treat for being so good, so the focus is on the dog not the kids!
Also our broadband is with Sky and we have this app where you can turn off individual devices rather than the WiFi. As they have multiple devices, we let them only have one on at a time. Otherwise they are on a playstation gaming, watching YouTube on a switch whilst googling on a phone and they get overloaded. This way they have to decide which one they want and if they want yo swap we have to do it on the app.

Jellycatspyjamas · 11/01/2025 14:26

Cassius doesn't want to be with me. It breaks my heart. But I will try.

Can you say a bit more about this - is it typical teen doesn’t want to be seen with mum, or more he doesn’t want to be with you/adopted/away from his birth family? How is he with your husband? What does he understand about his adoption experience?

Ted27 · 11/01/2025 14:44

@Italiangreyhound

Teenage yours are so hard aren't they?

First thing I'd say is don't worry too much about the long term, it won't be a disaster if he doesn't get GCSEs at 16, he can go to college later, he Will still have opportunities.
Secondly it's perfectly normal for boys particularly to turn into stroppy non washing, bedroom hermits in the teen years. I still gave to nudge my 20 year old towards the shower now and again but at 14/15 he was decidedly stinky round the armpits. I think most parents of young adults find they emerge from their bedrooms much more human like in a few years but it's painful getting there.
I think its really hard for us more 'mature' folks to understand fully the on line world our children inhabit. I know I'm much more relaxed about it that many parents but we need to recognise that this is the world we live in now, it's how they communicate and socialise. So as long as he isn't doing anything dangerous or watching porn, again I'd relax a bit about it.
If he's eating something, again I wouldn't worry too much about what.
Try and separate out the normal teenage stuff from the bigger issues such as school refusal
I'd agree with focusing on your relationship. Have you tried texting as a way of communicating. Just drop a text to say hi, send him a meme he might find funny. Tell him you're putting pizzas in or ordering a take away and ask if he wants some. If he has a favourite order/cook and tell him its the kitchen to heat up when he wants it.
Although I now have a great relationship with my son, now he's away at uni he's not great at communicating- so I watch the footie when I know he is and send him messages about goals - is there anything like that you could do.
Finally, don't forget you are doing a great job - don't forget that

Arran2024 · 11/01/2025 14:49

Non violent resistance is more about teaching you how to de escalate, choose your battles. I did a NVR course and neither of mine are violent and I learned so much.

If he won't go to school you can't make him, but nvr teaches you how to give more of an appearance of being in control of situations. I would def recommend it.

Jellycatspyjamas · 11/01/2025 14:50

Have you tried texting as a way of communicating. Just drop a text to say hi, send him a meme he might find funny. Tell him you're putting pizzas in or ordering a take away and ask if he wants some.

This is a good idea, a very high proportion of communication with my daughter is sending silly memes or TikTok reels etc, often the “oh god my mums so annoying” type things that make her laugh and normalise the chasing her to have a shower, sort her laundry type things. I often invite her to dinner with a photo of whatever I’ve made and while she needs to eat near me (eating disorder so meals are supervised to some degree) she doesn’t need to sit at the table etc.

As they change, we change I suppose.

rabblenotrebel · 11/01/2025 14:53

Arran2024 · 11/01/2025 14:49

Non violent resistance is more about teaching you how to de escalate, choose your battles. I did a NVR course and neither of mine are violent and I learned so much.

If he won't go to school you can't make him, but nvr teaches you how to give more of an appearance of being in control of situations. I would def recommend it.

Control can be a form of abusive behaviour.

If you do NVR and decide it's no good, at least you've tried it?

I find it very helpful.

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