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The news of the mother who subjectd her children to fight

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vixma · 20/04/2007 22:11

Reuters - Friday, April 20LONDON (Reuters) - A mother who forced her two-year-old son and three year-old daughter to fight each other as she and three other women filmed them was spared jail on Friday.

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Room Type: Single Twin Double Family rooms The women laughed and swore as they encouraged the tearful children to punch and kick each other during the home video.

The boy, crying and wearing just a nappy and T-shirt, was goaded into punching his sister after she hit him and was called a "wimp" and "faggot".

"It was extremely upsetting footage," prosecutor David Gittins told BBC News 24 outside Plymouth Crown Court. "It showed that the conduct of these defendants, all four of them, was totally and utterly unacceptable.

"The children were so distressed and time and time again were ... pushed back into the ring to keep fighting each other when they clearly didn't want to."

Police said the footage had "sickened and saddened" everyone working on the case. The children's father discovered the tape by chance.

In a statement, their family said: "The gravity of these events has placed an enormous strain on our family, who had no idea that these women were capable of acts of such wanton cruelty."

Police said the children are well and staying with relatives.

The four women, all members of the same Plymouth family, were given one-year suspended sentences for child cruelty offences. They left court without comment

Anyone else sickend by this?

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FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2007 22:39

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 20/04/2007 22:41

Absolutely, you can only give sentences based on set criteria, then mitigating circumstances are involved, and what is best for society etc.

The "lock them up and throw away the key" style of thought isnt what makes our society the (mainly) civilised one that it is.

saggers · 20/04/2007 22:41

They don't deserve to have children. They will have scarred those children for life.

FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2007 22:41

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unknownrebelbang · 20/04/2007 22:41

Sentencers are bound by legislation, not what the joe public thinks should happen.

I don't agree with a lot of sentences, and have seen some bl**dy odd decisions over the years, but I am aware that all sorts of things do come up in court which affect the sentence given, and these things are not made public.

I think the welfare of the children is far more important than what happens to these evil women, and I understand that the children are with their paternal grandparents and hopefully being loved and cherished. That is what matters.

polarmonkey · 20/04/2007 22:42

Sentencing in certain cases are mandatory in the law. In this case it would have been established by an individual rather than the law is my point

ceolas · 20/04/2007 22:42

So they probably were all clean as whistles before this?

vixma · 20/04/2007 22:42

I hope that the "mothers" are not allowed to have them back unless they prove different. Disgusting, and hope this is not going to repeat itself.

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FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2007 22:43

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ceolas · 20/04/2007 22:43

Do you mean reoffending in similar circumstances ie abusing children or any offence?

skibump · 20/04/2007 22:43

Really it's just so sad that anyone (4 people at the same time) thinks this is an ok way to treat kids

FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2007 22:44

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ceolas · 20/04/2007 22:45

so they wouldn't get banged up for nicking bras out of M&S?

gemmiegoatlegs · 20/04/2007 22:45

my point is that this is an emotive issue for PARENTS, not just me

And I can't see many people advocating what those women did on a board like this.

Cod, you appear to have set yourself up to defend these women

I understand what you are saying about judging things we know nothing about but I don't normally need a new hard hat because someone mentions climate change, politics, law, sculpture/any number of other things I am not an expert on

If we only discussed subjects we were expert on , it would be a very quiet board, wouldn't it?

FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2007 22:45

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snottyshoulders · 20/04/2007 22:45

icod, I totally agree with you that we don't know the circumstances and they very well may have lots of other circumstances going on in their lives, however the whole organisation of the fight (ie videoed etc) was so disturbing and premeditated, it wasn't like it was 'God we all have hideous problems and didn't have anything to do that afternoon, don't know what got into us' etc etc, it's also disturbing that the sentence was light and people that do other hideous crimes to dogs (who may also have mitigating circimstances) get longer sentences and the dogs get a new home etc, these children will have ongoing problems for life and not just because its plastered all over the frigging tabloids....thats all

LilyLoo · 20/04/2007 22:46

TBH i think this is the tip of the iceberg people get away with far worse when it comes to kids

FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2007 22:46

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ceolas · 20/04/2007 22:46

I don't think she is defending the women rather the system

vixma · 20/04/2007 22:46

What they did is seriously wrong...full stop...poor kids, they have been apparently placed with family....hopefully not as appauling as them.

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FluffyMummy123 · 20/04/2007 22:47

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skibump · 20/04/2007 22:47

Cos of the suspended sentence I think yes

skibump · 20/04/2007 22:47

Poor guy, how must he be feeling?

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