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Difficult night

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Kewcumber · 22/01/2015 10:53

I'm not sure I should be posting this on here. Even though I seem to be quite open about things despite being identifiable in RL I actually don't share much in the way of details.

But I think I need to share and get some input and this is probably the best place for it. Brace yourself, it's a bit long.

DS (as many of our children do) operates from a higher anxiety base than most children, his "norm" is what others would probably consider to be anxious in their children though he has learnt to cover it up better over time. So we live life on a spectrum from slightly anxious to full on phobia, OCD handwashing and hyper-vigilance. It peaked a couple of summers ago and hasn't been as bad since but it does fluctuate up and down.

DS's sleeping has deteriorated recently (last month or so, I can;t pinpoint exactly) - he's not usually a great sleeper though that's possibly because he just doesn't need as much as other children. But have regressed back to not being able to get to sleep easily (calling out repetitively "night mum") and waking two or three times a night and getting in with me at around midnight/1am. He's also more "tactile" during the day - needs to hold on to me when we sit down, and has been holding hands with me a bit more (had previously considered himself too grown-up!).

So last night he got out of bed at about 10pm and came downstairs to see me (he never does this, he just shouts to me so he can hear that I'm there) looking visibly distressed and was unable to talk. Just stood looking at me. So we played 20 questions and I eventually managed to get out of him what the problem was.

He is having "dreams" (I think it may have started as a dream but may be now him just thinking about it in bed) that everyone he loves/knows has died in a disaster leaving just him on his own. The only people left on earth are people who hate him. Sad Sad Sad

I felt/still feel totally inadequate and terrified of cocking it up.

I said it was good to talk about these fears and that I could imagine that would be a very scary thought and it would scare me even as an adult. We talked about how its OK to be scared by your thoughts but that you needed to understand how likely they were to happen and to think about the difference between things that were real and were fears inside your head. I compared the "real" things to be scared of as being crossing the road and riding your bike and how you can help yourself by learning to do it safely etc.

I explained that thoughts inside your head still belonged to you and though it might not seem like it, you could influence them. I said it was like being the director of a film and that you could decide you didn;t like the plot or the characters and you could choose to do other things to make the film better - like planning a bunker under the house or giving all your "gang" diamond armour like minecraft (OK probably not the best analogy but I was thinking on the hoof) about how films might be dramatic but they always ended well and that he could choose to change his thoughts to something better but that he was probably going to have to practice that.

I said the alternative was to just acknowledge his thoughts then move on to something real that made him feel happy like our recent holiday.

I also decided to tell him why I thought he had thoughts like this which I'm still not sure was a good idea. I said when he was very small until he was 1, he changed where he lived and who looked after him about every three months. And that though as adults we would understand that those people and places hadn't really disappeared and that they were just looking after different children that it probably felt to a small child like they had all disappeared and that whilst babies brains weren't organised enough to remember it properly which would make it easier to discuss and get through that they did remember the feelings they had at that time and that probably why he was "remembering" that feeling.

I have no idea whether this approach is OK or whether it will help and I'm really unsure whether talking to him about why he might have these fears is a bit too deep.

I feel like I'm floundering a bit. I have a consultation with the EP and DS's teacher on 3rd Feb so will mention this to her as part of his anxiety issues but I doubt she'll have time at that point to get into it much.

So what's the verdict? Should I continue on this road or try a differnt tack, should I bring him back into my bed at night and give up any pretence of him going into his own bed or agree with him that he should go to bed in his bed - perhaps with a nightlight and get into mine when he wakes up.

Sorry thats so long, I've tried to paraphrase - it was a long conversation (and a long night!)

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Tropicalchancer · 22/01/2015 10:59

I have no knowledge or experience here, but you sound wonderful, that sounds to me like a fab way of comforting your son xx

Tropicalchancer · 22/01/2015 11:03

I have no knowledge or experience here, but you sound wonderful, that sounds to me like a fab way of comforting your son xx

GoldfishSpy · 22/01/2015 11:07

It sounds like you did a fabulous job, and I think you were spot on.

Hope you and DS have a better night tonight.

Kewcumber · 22/01/2015 11:18

I find it particularly difficult to deal with because with any non-adopted child I would be able to take the approach that these things don't happen (being left by everyone you know and moving somewhere totally new) but of course in our children they have already lived through this not only once but possibly several times so you can;t deal with it by dismissing it as being far fetched.

And I can't even pretend that I won't ever leave him as I had a serious and unexpected illness when he was nearly four and disappeared with no warning into hospital (though he did visit) and we've recently returned from my grandmothers funeral. So I really don;t feel able to say "I will never leave you" convincingly. Should I?

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Thatsnotmypiglet · 22/01/2015 11:19

I think this fear is pretty common, even for children with secure attachments who have absolutely no anxiety issues. So it must be even more difficult for your son to get to grips with. It's part of growing up and realising that you aren't quite independent yet. It's a scary thought to realise how much you love and need others. And yes, it's a terrifying wide world out there!

I think what you said was spot on and your son is lucky to have a parent who is honest and patient. The worst thing would have been to dismiss it and you did the opposite...you acknowledged his fear and shouldered it with him showing him that he isn't alone. Your explanations were thoughtful and well worded. And you sound like you gave him tools to deal with his feelings. All very positive.

No advice really, just Flowers and keep trucking!

Almahart · 22/01/2015 11:21

I think you are doing a brilliant job. I have a child with mental health issues, including extreme anxiety. All you can do is to follow your instincts I think. Would you and he get enough sleep if he did come into bed with you? Or could he sleep in your room for a bit? It may be that he needs a bit if extra closeness for a while

Thatsnotmypiglet · 22/01/2015 11:24

No, it's just my opinion but I really don't think you should say you'll never leave him. We can't make guarantees like that, albeit as much as we want to.

It makes it really difficult but you CAN stress that you'd never choose to leave him, that he's part of your life, that you love him etc etc. You can say it's highly improbable but imagine if you ended up being separated for any reason....he'd feel like you had lied and it could damage the trust that he obviously has in you.

Does that sound harsh? I hope not. It's such a tricky conversation to have. How old is he?

steppeinginto2015 · 22/01/2015 11:28

You sound like you are doing a great job.
Flowers

Almahart · 22/01/2015 11:28

I think you did brilliantly by the wayFlowers

Kewcumber · 22/01/2015 11:33

He's 9 piglet. It doesn't sound harsh (or maybe it does but it's how I feel too so we can be harsh together)

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Kewcumber · 22/01/2015 11:35

Almahart have you had any professional input with dealing with your child anxieties? I feel like I need validation form a professional and yet my experience of professional is social workers who though they are theoretically understanding and informed haven't actually had to deal with that situation in practice.

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SnakeyMcBadass · 22/01/2015 11:44

I have a son with some anxiety issues, and although I don't say 'I'll never leave you', because I can't promise that, I do say 'I will always, always love you fiercely and that will never, ever change.' He gets some comfort from that. And it's bloody true.

Thatsnotmypiglet · 22/01/2015 11:47

The thing is, life is harsh isn't it? But we can show them that they have a safe place to rely on and retreat to (hopefully!).

I think children appreciate adults being honest and candid with them as long as it's done sensitively. That is exactly what you did Smile

Almahart · 22/01/2015 11:49

Some camhs input. They vary hugely. We had some CBT which helped with aggression when DC was younger. I would have thought your D's would benefit from some therapeutic intervention, some sort if talking therapy with a qualified professional. I hesitate a bit in saying that as I know that lists are long, quality can be patchy and you absolutely need someone who understands adoption related issues, but we had a positive experience with camhs (though I should point out our issues ASD not adoption). I think it varies massively but worth asking fir referral

Kewcumber · 22/01/2015 11:58

Ds does has aggression/explosion issues (so not routinely aggressive towards other people necessarily but verbally explosive in situations most children would handle OK) which I'm hoping the EP will identify and suggest some therapy for - actually I was hoping CBT but I'm not well informed about it to be honest.

Given his age he is remarkably emotionally mature so I feel CBT might help him as he would be able to engage quite well with it I think.

Thankfully he qualifies for pupil premium so there is a (limited) budget the school could spend if EP suggests something. It is quite hard to find someone with adoption experience though - they have suggested play therapist but as he isn't trained in adoption related issues he is unable to take DS on.

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FannyFanakapan · 22/01/2015 12:12

Kewcumber, Im a FC not an adopter, but I hope I can offer some advice about what worked for us....

My birth DD suffered terrible anxiety at this age - the whole world was going to end, the house was going to sink into quicksand, the earth's orbit would decay and we would fall into the sun, there would be a tsunami, a fire, a flood, war would break out.....

We sought input from CAMHS and received some mediocre help. Then we moved to a new area and got a new CAMHS referral.

They did some CBT, around stopping the bad thoughts....

Whenever she felt the bad throughts starting, she was to use distraction or deep breathing exercises or say "STOP!" in her mind and make a conscious decision to think about something else.

The breathing helped her sleep too....imagine going up a slide the wrong way. Take a long slow breath in through your nose....stop at the top to look around (hold for 2s) and then breath out like you are going down the stairs...in maybe 6 little puffs.

All of these helped to a degree....

But the thing that really helped was EMDR therapy. One of my foslings has also had it, to deal with early trauma and feelings of loss. The idea is that, through tapping hand rhythmically, the child is able to access primitive parts of the brain that only come online in survival mode. This is where a lot of the scared feelings are stored, and as they cannot be accessed normally, they also cannot be processed rationally. The tapping helps them access these scared feelings and process them with a more rational, grown up brain.

Our DDs anxieties were caused by her dad's emergency hospital admission, and her baby brother's just 6 months later. The catastrophic thinking was a case of "what could possibly be worse that losing my dad..." and the answer was the awful things she was thinking about.

Our DD's anxieties disappear like smoke in the wind after this therapy, and she was more able to cope with all her fears and able to rationalise them better. Effectively she could see things with 10yo eyes, not 5 yo eyes, and was able to process those memories and fears more effectively.

Our foster child also had this therapy, at a very tender age of 3, and it had a very significant impact on his anxious behaviour.

The same therapist worked with both of them (in SOuth East, if it helps?)

Hels20 · 22/01/2015 16:41

I am reading this with interest. Since September, DS - who is 3.5 - has woken up every single night and refuses to sleep anywhere but in our bed. I am pretty exhausted from having my night sleep broken (hope that doesn't make me sound selfish). He comes into bed and wants physical closeness (he puts his arm round my neck until he falls asleep again).

Recently, he has been saying that there are "monsters" in the house. (His language isn't great and he is behind emotionally.)

I am just going with the flow - hoping that one day he will stop climbing into our bed.

Anyway - that's my story which is slightly related - sorry if I have hijacked thread.

I have no words of wisdom to offer Kew - I think you did a great job. And I will file your words and use them for myself at a later stage if and when I need to.

Kewcumber · 22/01/2015 16:45

Hijack away - misery loves company Smile

Brace yourself DS was in my bed every night from about midnight until he was 7.

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LastingLight · 22/01/2015 17:05

Kew I think you're doing fabulously under tough circumstances. My (very lay) opinion is that it's ok to explain to DS why he may be having these thoughts, given his age and the fact that you say he is emotionally mature. In terms of saying you will never leave them, I also believe you cannot do that.

Italiangreyhound · 22/01/2015 17:21

Kew no words of wisdom but for the record I think you did everything right and you are not harsh but realistic. You've had some very good advice here and I really really hope you find something that works for your son.

I had CBT for anxiety about 15 years ago and it worked brilliantly, but, of course, I was an adult in my 30s and I had not suffered any trauma.

The EMDR therapy sounds very interesting.

All the best Kew.

excitedmtb · 22/01/2015 18:33

It sounds like you did really well with how you responded. I am not sure I would have been able to put it so well on the spot.

excitedmamma · 22/01/2015 18:42

Hels 20..... snap!!!!! Our LO just turned 3 is doing the exact same thing!!!!!

lostonline · 22/01/2015 19:27

My eldest DS, at a similar age, used to describe changing the channel, like on the TV, when he was having bad dreams.
Are you able to discuss with him what would happen if you weren't there or talk about who cared for him when you were taken ill before ? May be this would help him deal with the anxiety and take away some of the uncertainty.
Could you say - " I am not planning on going anywhere but you know that if something happened to me you would be ok because x would happen"
Sounds like you did really well especially at 10pm !

Velvet1973 · 22/01/2015 19:56

No advice Kew as a very newcomer to all of this but I would say you handled the situation extremely well. I always believe that the open and honest way is the best and your son knows and will trust you on this.
The only other thing possibly is to also reiterate how many people in his life love and care for him so it helps him feel more secure? Ignore ne if you think I'm talking total bo*cks as I say very very new to all of this!

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