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The saga continues - help and advice needed please!

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YouAreMyRain · 29/05/2014 16:03

My DD 1 (age 8) has recently been making allegations against various adults. These are quite far fetched and I'm not sure if she believes these allegations or if she actually knows truth from fiction as she lies constantly. Most of these allegations are about my partner or her dad's partner (we are separated/divorcing) as she wants us to get back together. She is (finally) under CAMHS having psychotherapy after a difficult few years. (Bit of background, she has attachment difficulties, high anxiety, emotional and behavioural issues, history of self harming and attempted suicide, can't find my previous threads but they are on here somewhere)

Last week I took her to A&E as I was concerned about a non- blanching rash that she had. While we were there, with the doctor, she repeated some of these allegations and they made a safeguarding referral because the dr thought that the rash could have been caused by one of her allegations.

We were there for 11hrs (all he obs were fine and there were no medical concerns) until a senior paediatric consultant said the rash was totally not linked to any allegations and there were no safeguarding concerns and they let us go. He said he had contacted the safeguarding team and told them there were no concerns and basically stopped the referral.

The next day, we had a visit from a social worker. He said that normally he would have police officers with him but they were unavailable. He asked me to sign an agreement that my partner would not see any of the children (two adopted and one birth child with DP) until the police investigation was completed. I refused and said that I didn't think my DP was a risk, that this would unsettle DD1 more etc as we had plans to go away and that I would agree to no unsupervised contact between DP and the children. If I break this agreement, they will start care proceedings against all three children. The social worker had not seen the hospital discharge letter saying that there were no safeguarding concerns and had not spoken to CAMHS.

The SW agreed to my suggestion of allowing only supervised contact and let us go away. I have been in contact with him and they are holding off interviewing DD1 until they have spoken to CAMHS and the school etc next week.

So, next week, my fragile, anxious DD with mental health issues, a phobia of the police, a questionable grasp of reality (she thinks she is bad and they will put her in jail etc) and fear of strangers is going to be interviewed by three strangers, two of whom will be police officers. I have asked and although they will be in plain clothes, they will have to identify themselves as police to her.

I am really worried about how she will cope with the experience and wether it will unsettle her and make things worse. Also, if she knows that her allegations have caused all this drama, (she loved being in hospital getting her obs done etc) that rewards her with attention and power which is not a positive thing for her and she may go on to make lots more allegations. She will need to be interviewed without me present so I have asked if her psychotherapist or a friendly teacher can be there to support her.

I am also worried about what happens if she repeats these allegations to the police and they believe her. Will they try and charge my DP? He is so supportive and I'm not sure how I will cope if he's not allowed to be with the children. Will they start care proceedings against all three children?

My DD is such a complex little girl and it's been such hard work trying to parent her so far, I am going through hell with this latest mess.

I am sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I am really stressed out.

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KatieKaye · 30/10/2014 19:57

so sorry to hear you are going through this again.

Hels20 · 30/10/2014 20:03

OMG. I am so so sorry Rain. Utter shite.

YouAreMyRain · 30/10/2014 20:04

I knew this would happen. I was just hoping it would be a few years away.

At least her psychotherapist knows her better now. Apparently one person at Camhs told homestart about DD being very confused/troubled/disturbed etc then someone else at Camhs mentioned to homestart that "the child's voice must be heard". Which I totally understand as it is an underpinning value of safeguarding.

We have nothing to hide it's just stressful and annoying and intrusive being investigated. Again.

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Lilka · 30/10/2014 20:08

I'm so sorry Rain
I really hope this one is over as professionally and quickly as possible for you

Monathevampire1 · 30/10/2014 20:14

Oh Rain I so feel your pain. My OH was a child protection officer and he said so much is hidden from the adoptive parents. Possibly your beautiful girl was seriously damaged before she was two. I truly hope you, your family and your daughter get the support you need and deserve.

YouAreMyRain · 30/10/2014 20:24

I feel like each time this happens, it taints us and creates suspicion. "What if she is being hurt/abused?" Etc

Plus her difficulties can hopefully explain these allegations away but also they make her more vulnerable to actual abuse!

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Italiangreyhound · 31/10/2014 00:03

So sorry Rain Sad and Angry angry at the unfairness of this situation.

No advice at all but I am thinking of you.

Monathevampire1 · 31/10/2014 09:32

Rain maybe it would be better if she went to her dad's or into foster care whilst this is investigated? The pressure you are all under must be overwhelming, sending you hugs.

auntybookworm · 31/10/2014 11:15

Flowers sorry no advice to add. You sound like an amazingly strong and courageous Mother love and hugs xx

KristinaM · 31/10/2014 17:01

I'm sorry, I know this is terrible for you all.

You DD needs specialist help. Please try here www.pac-uk.org

Squigglypig · 31/10/2014 17:02

I hope this all gets resolved and that you get support in RL and from the Authorities. It's pretty scary reading your thread from the point of view of a prospective adopter but I am rooting for you and your family and hope that you get the support you and DD clearly need.

KristinaM · 31/10/2014 17:06

I am very concerned about the safety of your other two children -I think you have another adopted child and one bio with your new partner , is that right?

YouAreMyRain · 31/10/2014 19:03

KristinaM - yes two others, one is adopted, (she's the half sister of DD1) and one bio (DS aged 1)

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YouAreMyRain · 31/10/2014 19:08

Squiggly - the reality of adoption is quite scary at times. All the adopted children I know personally have issues, despite them mostly being placed in foster care within a few months of birth and then adopted (as "normally developing" children) between 1-2yrs old. I think lots of conditions in birth families are hidden by their addictions/criminality etc which mask the underlying issues of ASD, MH etc.

It's a good argument for adopting an older child though!

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YouAreMyRain · 31/10/2014 19:13

Thanks for the link KristinaM, is it like family futures?

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Monathevampire1 · 31/10/2014 19:52

Sadly the reality of adoption for many adoptive parents is dishonesty from social services etc and adoptive children who are already damaged beyond repair. The OP's ADD in her short life has already been to hell and back again as her half-sister. Its too tragic for words.

KristinaM · 31/10/2014 19:54

Yes it is.

I think you need some specialist help now if you are to keep your children living with you and your DP

DD1 won't stop this. Once she realises that she can control the adults around her , she will escalate her allegations .

There's no easy way out of this

I'm so sorry . You don't deserve this.

Devora · 31/10/2014 20:28

Rain - I am so very, very sorry to hear this is happening again. I agree with others that you cannot afford to underestimate the potential impact of this on your family, and you really need some tanks on your lawn. I really hope you can quickly find the help you need.

YouAreMyRain · 31/10/2014 20:51

I'm just wondering how to get funding for additional assessments or therapy etc.

The LA are also the ones who accidentally revealed our address and information to the birth family earlier this year. Their complaints process seems fairly robust so far, so if PAS don't support me, maybe I could complain...?

Has anyone got experience of successfully fighting for funding for family futures/PAS etc?

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YouAreMyRain · 31/10/2014 20:52

*PAC

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KristinaM · 31/10/2014 21:04

SS will only pay if they think the alternative is DD having to go into residential care. It costs thousands per week .

Which she will do. Because if they put her in FC, she will make an allegation about the FCers. And she will be moved immediately . And then no other FC in the area will take her, because her reputation will go before her.

Im my sorry , I know this sounds heartless. But this is the reality.

It's all about money and power.

KristinaM · 31/10/2014 21:12

Costs are typically £13,000 per month, per child ( I just checked )

The therapy at family futures /PAC looks quite bargain now, doesn't it ?

YouAreMyRain · 31/10/2014 21:24

Very true KristinaM.

My DD1 just cannot trust anyone and refuses to be parented. Sadly I think that residential care may be her future Sad

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Italiangreyhound · 01/11/2014 00:13

Rain I am so sorry.

Is anyone in this terrible mess talking to you about how you feel, I mean in real life.

You are giving out and worrying about everyone, are you getting any support for you?

I really feel for everyone in the situation so much. If I remember the situation correctly your partner is your 3rd child's dad so he is wrapped up with your life and it must be so painful for you both.

No advice at all except to look after yourself, whatever that means, in whatever way you can and to get whatever help you can. Thinking of you and sending up a prayer because you totally do not deserve this shit and you have tried so hard, we can all see that and feel for you.

YouAreMyRain · 01/11/2014 09:17

DP is the baby's dad, yes.

I am very fortunate to have access to a wonderful local charity for women with PND and they are very supportive. Not sure how I would carry on without them at the moment tbh.

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