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Newcareerat50 · 28/02/2025 08:01

Posting here because it’s still a secret and I have a lot of feelings.

I am 50 and have been working at this university since my very first job as a lecturer straight out of my PhD (the early 2000s. When it was good).

Luckily, my expertise will translate to industry. I have a skill. The VR buys time. I will need to keep earning the same income eventually. I worry there won’t be VR next time.

I am relieved, and scared, and mostly sad. My job would have been safe,
but it’s getting so grim. I don’t see how the university will function with cuts this deep. Our university has replaced academic heads with managers who are remarkably not curious about what we do. I love teaching.

I am 50! Why have I stayed so long? What else can I do? Wish me luck.

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Ferrazzuoli · 28/02/2025 08:09

Good luck OP. Wishing you all the best with finding a new job.

Chrysanthemum5 · 28/02/2025 08:14

I was so tempted but our VS just wasn't enough. I'm 56 so looked at combining it with early retirement but I worked part time for years while the kids were young (although often ended up working more hours than my full time colleagues) and have a rubbish pension even after 25 years.

I wish you all the luck in the world. My University is going to be a horrible place to be

Newcareerat50 · 28/02/2025 08:32

I meant “what else can I do?” in the existential sense.

I have a plan. My subject area lends to consulting and I have a good network after 25 years of teaching in this area.

I am posting because I feel sad. Academia is as much identity as a job. Leaving academia means losing that identity and I feel the loss.

I know I am fortunate that I can jump. I am glad to have a transferable skill. It is plausible I will make more money, which is necessary as I also worked part time when the kids were young so the pension isn’t great. But I am sad for what is lost.

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bge · 28/02/2025 08:37

I don’t think the OP wants job advice, @Coldfingery

OP this must be complicated emotionally. Saying goodbye to a long career in one area is hard even if you have other options. And I guess saying goodbye to your research identity, if that is important to you

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UnaOfStormhold · 28/02/2025 08:53

I am in a very similar position, in the process of taking early exit from a civil service job I have been in for a similar length of time and equally scared, relieved to be getting out of a job that is frustrating and excited for the future. One phrase that sticks with me when I worry about leaving the familiar security is "Not all prisons are made of iron bars. Some are made of feather beds."

Scribl · 28/02/2025 08:59

This was me five years ago! The adjustment was interesting.

Initially, I found that I couldn't stop mentioning my old role. I appreciate that sounds bizarre. It was an indication of how utterly enmeshed my life was with the academic cycle. I didn't have anything to add to any conversation, if it didn't relate to my work self. Thankfully, that passed!

Later, I had a period of sadness at how incredibly swiftly the university machine chugged on without me. It's a pretty brutal way to discover your own unimportance. It also made me regret some boundaries I had let slip, like working for free in my downtime, and being perpetually contactable by students.

Five years later, I'm proud of the decent work I was part of while grateful I've left the absolute nonsense of HE management behind. I really enjoy my self-employment, and I hope you find the same with your next path.

Patterncarmen · 28/02/2025 11:20

OP, I wish you the best. I took VS at 58 and was able to retire early, but the emotions that accompanied it take some time to process. Be kind to yourself.

QuickHare · 01/03/2025 23:20

I took it recently, at 45. It's the right decision! Well done!

HippyKayYay · 01/03/2025 23:47

I took it last year (48). I felt giddy with excitement to start with, as I’d really fallen out of love with it, but 7 months on I’ve got the fear about what I’m going to do next, cos I’m certainly not going to be getting another job as an academic any time soon (I was humanities, in a dying discipline that is totally over saturated).

I hear you OP on the loss of identity and the sadness at the University/ dept chugging on without you. Not a single person from my dept has been in touch with me since I left :(

But… UK HE is a bin fire and I intentionally got out as the writing was is the wall for my discipline…I thought I’d better do it now when I’ve got 20 years of working life left and time to hopefully pivot into something new.

smooththecat · 02/03/2025 00:17

I left at 43. I was always on teaching only contracts so no redundancy. I was seriously fucked over by <unnamed university> in 2019 and resolved to leave at that point. I was in arts/humanities. I’ve made a switch into a completely different career and found that the critical thinking skills etc. are in short supply. Sadly, I think it’s unlikely anyone is ever explicitly hired for those and associated skills, but they are massively in demand once you do get hired.

I’m still really fucked off with what has happpened to universities. By the end I didn’t know anyone who didn’t want to get out. I almost went into knowledge exchange but now I’m glad I didn’t, I’d still be enmeshed with the whole apparatus. I’ve also found the identity shift really hard, I am used to people paying attention to what I say and now no one gives a crap, but it’s probably good for the soul. I still miss the best bits.

KilledAnotherPlant · 02/03/2025 00:34

What’s changed over the years? I’m no where near education as a career / industry but so interested in what has made you and so many other people want to move away.

Best of luck with new jobs though. It will be a transition but hopefully really positive and you’ll feel valued

HippyKayYay · 02/03/2025 17:32

KilledAnotherPlant · 02/03/2025 00:34

What’s changed over the years? I’m no where near education as a career / industry but so interested in what has made you and so many other people want to move away.

Best of luck with new jobs though. It will be a transition but hopefully really positive and you’ll feel valued

It's not about 'wanting' to move away (for most of us). There are massive cuts/ slash & burn happening across the sector. Most univeristies are cutting staff (academic and professional services).

What's happened? The Tories happened. But the main issues are shrinking university income due to the stagnant fees (haven't risen since 2017) in the face of escalating costs and the reduction in overseas students (largely in part due to changes in visa rules). Because OS students pay higher fees, universities rely on them to make up the shortfall in home student fees. But also other things, like universities' budgets being mis-managed, increase in number of (highly paid) middle/senior management, change in student caps, etc.

Loads of articles online if you Google, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/feb/01/quarter-of-leading-uk-universities-cutting-staff-due-to-budget-shortfalls

QuickHare · 02/03/2025 20:46

The sector enshittified - decaying throughout.

Standards are being dropped to keep things cheap and max out enrolments. Smaller subjects are being cut. More complex programmes likewise. It's rubbish for university workers, students, and ultimately employers and wider society.

KilledAnotherPlant · 02/03/2025 21:27

Thanks so much for responding @HippyKayYay I wasn't sure if it was a mix of people being let go and then conditions getting worse, more students to teach, supporting departments losing budget etc etc.

smooththecat · 04/03/2025 19:31

I agree with the general enshittification of the sector. I would add that’s it’s also the marketisation of academia, both the bums on seats kind and the grind of research. Most people going into academia will have an idealistic view of expanding the boundaries of knowledge, because that is how it should be and how it used to be. Now it’s all about bringing in money for the university, that’s how you develop your career. Academic value and research value does not fully translate to marketisation. It’s now a lot harder to get money for research that does not have an immediate industry use case - but that research is where a lot of future value will come. On the teaching side, what we have now is essentially loads of versions of the same course to capture the students. It has become blander, specialisms are being lost - as someone said, we’ll end up with a bunch of STEM courses looking quite similar and not much else at this rate (nothing against STEM, I’m now in it myself). Also, students’ are a lot more complex than they were when I started teaching. They often need a lot of support and we are not equipped to provide it.

KStockHERO · 05/03/2025 12:40

smooththecat · 02/03/2025 00:17

I left at 43. I was always on teaching only contracts so no redundancy. I was seriously fucked over by <unnamed university> in 2019 and resolved to leave at that point. I was in arts/humanities. I’ve made a switch into a completely different career and found that the critical thinking skills etc. are in short supply. Sadly, I think it’s unlikely anyone is ever explicitly hired for those and associated skills, but they are massively in demand once you do get hired.

I’m still really fucked off with what has happpened to universities. By the end I didn’t know anyone who didn’t want to get out. I almost went into knowledge exchange but now I’m glad I didn’t, I’d still be enmeshed with the whole apparatus. I’ve also found the identity shift really hard, I am used to people paying attention to what I say and now no one gives a crap, but it’s probably good for the soul. I still miss the best bits.

Might you be willing to say what sector you went into, please?

OxfordInkling · 05/03/2025 13:07

@KilledAnotherPlant the sector started to dive with the Blair decision that half should go to uni. Degrees cost money, and when they were rarer, it was worth paying for it. But there was a 50% target which set the stage for the next act in the crisis.

Universities expanded, but in terms of home students and internationals. Yay, bums on seats, all bringing in the cash. Salaries of the top bods rose (though, notably, not for the rest) and there was investment (borrowing based) in fancy buildings and other things that looked nice). Some investments were needed, but others…not so much.

It was an era of expansion. But then it started to go wrong. Turns out that borrowing has to be repaid. This becomes harder and harder when the fees you are allowed to charge fail to rise at all, let alone with inflation. You become reliant on milking money from the internationals and grad students to try and keep the ship afloat (and continue to pay the captains ridiculous sums). You have no wiggle room for shocks - which come in the form of the financial crash, Brexit, wars, and hostility to immigration due to insufficient care being paid to the majority of the coal inhabitants..

To compound matters, there’s an ever increasing weight of regulations weighing you down. In the same way the government tries to make schools responsible for everything, that ideology infects the HE sector (or how it’s viewed). Rules and regulations proliferate, meaning you need an army of managers just to handle them all. Every thing that happens to a student becomes your fault, regardless of whether you had anything to do with it.

And the tsunami of SEN issues heading up from schools also have to be accommodated - putting pressure on the teaching staff who you can’t afford to provide with help because there’s no money now. So you accommodate by allowing twenty seven opportunities to resit. The disability centre tells the lecturers they have to differentiate all their slides and be forever available to everyone. You remove the research periods (and then wonder why your top researchers hate working for you now).

Your admin staff seem to come and go like via a revolving door. All institutional memory of how systems work and what needs to be done, when, is lost because you pay so badly that no one sticks around. admin workload magically transfers on to the academics (who can’t run the systems either), increasing their workload yet further - but don’t worry! the top echelons are going to implement some random expensive programme that won’t work, without ever asking what people need, rather than using the money to hire competent help.

Then comes the day that you can no longer cook the books enough to look viable. Game over. But you’re too big to fail and your demise will destroy the economy of a town/city/entire county. So there are more loans and deals done in the background, so that you can continue to stumble along as a zombie entity, for another 20 years, progressively decaying until you collapse.

smooththecat · 05/03/2025 14:09

KStockHERO · 05/03/2025 12:40

Might you be willing to say what sector you went into, please?

Sure, I’m in tech manufacturing but on the software side. Had already developed some of the skills. However, I cannot recommend the way I went about things in terms of career change. It would have been quicker to go back and redo both UG and Masters degrees. I had funds behind me but not enough to do that.

Patterncarmen · 05/03/2025 22:47

OxfordInkling · 05/03/2025 13:07

@KilledAnotherPlant the sector started to dive with the Blair decision that half should go to uni. Degrees cost money, and when they were rarer, it was worth paying for it. But there was a 50% target which set the stage for the next act in the crisis.

Universities expanded, but in terms of home students and internationals. Yay, bums on seats, all bringing in the cash. Salaries of the top bods rose (though, notably, not for the rest) and there was investment (borrowing based) in fancy buildings and other things that looked nice). Some investments were needed, but others…not so much.

It was an era of expansion. But then it started to go wrong. Turns out that borrowing has to be repaid. This becomes harder and harder when the fees you are allowed to charge fail to rise at all, let alone with inflation. You become reliant on milking money from the internationals and grad students to try and keep the ship afloat (and continue to pay the captains ridiculous sums). You have no wiggle room for shocks - which come in the form of the financial crash, Brexit, wars, and hostility to immigration due to insufficient care being paid to the majority of the coal inhabitants..

To compound matters, there’s an ever increasing weight of regulations weighing you down. In the same way the government tries to make schools responsible for everything, that ideology infects the HE sector (or how it’s viewed). Rules and regulations proliferate, meaning you need an army of managers just to handle them all. Every thing that happens to a student becomes your fault, regardless of whether you had anything to do with it.

And the tsunami of SEN issues heading up from schools also have to be accommodated - putting pressure on the teaching staff who you can’t afford to provide with help because there’s no money now. So you accommodate by allowing twenty seven opportunities to resit. The disability centre tells the lecturers they have to differentiate all their slides and be forever available to everyone. You remove the research periods (and then wonder why your top researchers hate working for you now).

Your admin staff seem to come and go like via a revolving door. All institutional memory of how systems work and what needs to be done, when, is lost because you pay so badly that no one sticks around. admin workload magically transfers on to the academics (who can’t run the systems either), increasing their workload yet further - but don’t worry! the top echelons are going to implement some random expensive programme that won’t work, without ever asking what people need, rather than using the money to hire competent help.

Then comes the day that you can no longer cook the books enough to look viable. Game over. But you’re too big to fail and your demise will destroy the economy of a town/city/entire county. So there are more loans and deals done in the background, so that you can continue to stumble along as a zombie entity, for another 20 years, progressively decaying until you collapse.

Yep, the sector is imploding.

damekindness · 06/03/2025 08:06

@OxfordInkling Having been in the sector for 20 plus years that's by far the best summary of how it feels to be currently working as an academic in HE.

smooththecat · 06/03/2025 13:07

Regarding 50% target in @OxfordInkling post, the country did/does need to move towards a high-skill economy, we are mainly professional services and high skilled areas, we are not going to be going back to coal mining and assembly lines. So on one level, the target made sense for the economy. However, the whole picture was not adequately considered. At the RG where I was, we didn’t so much have the issue, but I know there are many students in HE who are not equipped for it academically. More support for FE and areas we all know we are fairly behind in like plumbing, construction etc. might have helped. I feel like it might be basic snobbery that these areas fell behind. They are also highly skilled, highly paid, valuable. It’s a tragedy what has happened in FE.

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