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Redundancy 2025

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Cartwrightandson · 10/01/2025 13:13

How is your institution doing? I recall last year there was a lot of redundancies and VS...

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Chrysanthemum5 · 03/09/2025 08:30

The previous offer was 1.75 weeks for every year worked this one is 1.5 weeks. Both capped though. I've been here so long I reach the cap so they work out roughly the same for me. Of course we've had a pay rise since the last offer which makes weekly pay higher in the calculations.

I went over it in minute detail last time and couldn't make it work. But I'm going over it again now. Life where I am is awful I'm working flat out covering for my team member who is very ill as well as doing my own job. While other colleagues waft about doing very little beyond their research so will get promoted before me!

Plus they've shown no care for me as a carer for a disabled child. One days leave when my daughter was suicidal was all they gave me. Genuinely hate them now

hillsiderunner · 03/09/2025 10:14

That's the trouble, and same in my School where there are many essentially "research only" faculty who get well rewarded. But on the other hand the rest of us are really needed to continue the business of the University right now. Be careful that you don't get pushed into jumping because of the current conditions - it will be very hard to get new jobs in the sector.

That is terrible about your daughter. I think they handle these things better in my School to be honest. Our current HoS is very nice. Do not envy them their role right now.

ParmaVioletTea · 03/09/2025 11:06

Oh @Chrysanthemum5 that is awful in so many ways. I know about covering ill colleagues (I left a department where I was expected to cover at short notice for a man who was in denial about his incapacitating chronic mental illness).

There's a FB group called Women in Academia Support Network. There are about 10,000 members from all over the world. There are a lot of resources there for women thinking of leaving academia for other careers - there might be some good information there for you.

worstofbothworlds · 03/09/2025 17:08

There's a FB group called Women in Academia Support Network
I think I was banned from that group for knowing what a woman is.

Chrysanthemum5 · 03/09/2025 18:12

Oh that's disappointing @worstofbothworlds

WallTree · 03/09/2025 18:30

hillsiderunner · 03/09/2025 01:30

I am just recently in grade 9 (at the bottom) so I took a quick look at the details. I thought it seemed the same/better than the prior offer. Possibly the enhanced retirement is where the extra is, I suspect (I did not look at that).

Am not thinking of applying for either. As an academic, it will take ages to get a new job in the current climate. But am curious to see which/any senior faculty in my School go for this new offer. Potentially there could be a few people who only now become eligible (due to grants/fellowships ending).

Not the most cheerful atmosphere and then I have to decide whether to go on strike and lose pay next week. Probably I will as I would not like to see compulsory redundancies.

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Strikes will have absolutely no impact on whether there are redundancies, and I don't see why you think that they would.

ParmaVioletTea · 03/09/2025 18:48

worstofbothworlds · 03/09/2025 17:08

There's a FB group called Women in Academia Support Network
I think I was banned from that group for knowing what a woman is.

Oh, I know. I remain quiet on that topic in that group. The scolding shaming witch burning can get intense in the group.

But being pragmatic, it does have some useful resources & people who might help PPs wanting to move from academia to something else.

I'm a lost cause - I couldn't do anything else & I'm really invested in the vocation of scholarship. But I'm nearing retirement age in a matter of years.

ParmaVioletTea · 03/09/2025 18:49

Furthermore @WallTree I'd say strikes are absolutely idiotic at this point - irresponsible and just pointless. I left UCU partly over this matter.

hillsiderunner · 04/09/2025 08:57

WallTree · 03/09/2025 18:30

Strikes will have absolutely no impact on whether there are redundancies, and I don't see why you think that they would.

well they will have the money they dock from our salaries to add to the budget ….

we should have gone for work to rule. I am not sure I can justify donating money to the Uni while I do my semester prep at home.

Chrysanthemum5 · 04/09/2025 09:58

@hillsiderunner im afraid i have no faith in the ability of our union leaders. I think they will always go for the performative over the effective.

ParmaVioletTea · 04/09/2025 14:49

Indeed @Chrysanthemum5 Although there are a couple of non-aligned members of the NEC, including one who basically did all the pension negotiation. Some hope there, but not enough for me to rejoin the UCU.

Chrysanthemum5 · 01/10/2025 08:32

Coming back to this as I'm really torn about whether to a the latest VS offer. I absolutely hate it here now but I don't know if I just hate work in general?

I'm 57 and we couldn't really afford for me not to work but where else would employ someone with 28 years of HE experience? The whole sector is in trouble and other sectors don't need my student experience.

VS would give me a year but what happens after that? DH was made redundant just before Covid and spent 3 years struggling to get work and ended up doing consulting work which was so hard to get. Thats influencing him in worrying about me leaving. But equally he knows this place is awful and not going to get better.

I just keep going round in circles!

weaselyeyes · 01/10/2025 10:44

I feel very similar @Chrysanthemum5. I'm 61, don't really understand my pension, but it's nowhere near enough to pay the mortgage on, and I'm not sure anyone else would employ me. Any likely area is full of redundant academics trying to set themselves up as consultants. I didn't opt for our round of VS in the summer, and now I'm tortured with regret and hatred of work, as if it's everyone else's fault I'm there! Am trying to feel more positive and hoping the September gloom will lift a little.

Chesticles · 01/10/2025 11:11

I am also disillusioned, but am younger, 49, so retirement isn't an option. Our Uni isn't doing VS, just a recruitment freeze. However there is a general malaise around the whole school, and we are not immune to factors effecting the whole sector. There just isn't any money anywhere! Not sure what to do, I just don't know where else I can work. I really am institutionalised.

Sympathy to you all. I think if I was pushed out with compulsary redundancy it would almost be better as that way I would be forced into having to do something else. Being brave enough to leap is not easy. And it might backfire. Arrrgh, like others, going round in circles again!

hillsiderunner · 01/10/2025 11:53

Chrysanthemum5 · 01/10/2025 08:32

Coming back to this as I'm really torn about whether to a the latest VS offer. I absolutely hate it here now but I don't know if I just hate work in general?

I'm 57 and we couldn't really afford for me not to work but where else would employ someone with 28 years of HE experience? The whole sector is in trouble and other sectors don't need my student experience.

VS would give me a year but what happens after that? DH was made redundant just before Covid and spent 3 years struggling to get work and ended up doing consulting work which was so hard to get. Thats influencing him in worrying about me leaving. But equally he knows this place is awful and not going to get better.

I just keep going round in circles!

This is fairly similar to how I feel. I'm a few years younger, and as a mid-career academic, possible options are not that many. I need to be working to pay off the mortgage. Basically I am keeping my eyes out for academic jobs elsewhere in Europe, and if I got something appealing, then I would hope that there'd be a VS option that might line up. But I would not be putting myself out of work in the current economic climate.

hillsiderunner · 01/10/2025 11:55

Chesticles · 01/10/2025 11:11

I am also disillusioned, but am younger, 49, so retirement isn't an option. Our Uni isn't doing VS, just a recruitment freeze. However there is a general malaise around the whole school, and we are not immune to factors effecting the whole sector. There just isn't any money anywhere! Not sure what to do, I just don't know where else I can work. I really am institutionalised.

Sympathy to you all. I think if I was pushed out with compulsary redundancy it would almost be better as that way I would be forced into having to do something else. Being brave enough to leap is not easy. And it might backfire. Arrrgh, like others, going round in circles again!

Agree also with this.

If pushed, then I'd have to HTFU and get something. In that scenario I'd do what it takes. But wouldn't expect pay, or even conditions, to be as good as in current role. Very often treatment can be even worse in a less-rewarded role.

worstofbothworlds · 01/10/2025 15:05

I'm not in any way considering VS, I am at the older end of those here but have lots I still want to do research wise! I already work part time and don't want to drop a day (I actually would like to increase a day at some point to bump up my pension). So as we are nearing the end of voluntary and reaching compulsory, I just hope nobody decides I'm for the chop.

MimiGC · 02/10/2025 14:11

Chrysanthemum5 · 01/10/2025 08:32

Coming back to this as I'm really torn about whether to a the latest VS offer. I absolutely hate it here now but I don't know if I just hate work in general?

I'm 57 and we couldn't really afford for me not to work but where else would employ someone with 28 years of HE experience? The whole sector is in trouble and other sectors don't need my student experience.

VS would give me a year but what happens after that? DH was made redundant just before Covid and spent 3 years struggling to get work and ended up doing consulting work which was so hard to get. Thats influencing him in worrying about me leaving. But equally he knows this place is awful and not going to get better.

I just keep going round in circles!

I took VS after 30 years of HE experience. I was 62. In the past few years, I have applied for, and got, 2 jobs. I honestly didn’t think anyone would employ me at my age, but both organisations did - the NHS and a small Community Interest Company. Don’t give up hope, put some feelers out and see what’s on offer.

Excitingnewusername · 03/10/2025 04:51

Me and DH are in the same uni, both in targeted areas for big cuts, but he's closer to early retirement and managed to get a permanent job younger than I did, whereas I am an 'ECR' inspite of already feeling way too old for this shit.

He's tempted towards VR basically on health grounds and as a way to actually get back to doing academic work rather than slogging through more and more unacknowledged admin and increasingly non-specialist teaching every year (we're at a 'top 10', research-led teaching uni). He'd have a very small pension but liveable for him, not for both of us.

I can't afford to take VR, and will have to wait and see what comes re CR. I'll get no real pay out in spite of working in the sector for over 20 years thanks to the casualisation slog years. I do however seriously consider just resigning at least 2 or 3 times a week at the moment as the intellectual and cultural vandalism we're witnessing is heartbreaking, and the amount of stress and uncertainty placed on staff is genuinly inconceivable at this point. I'd be off sick, but almost everyone else is, and that leaves us vulnerable to our programme being shut down as unsustainable. I'm fed up of seeing my brilliant colleagues in tears.

I don't know whether I'd be up for fighting CR or not. I'm fed up of filling in forms to prove I'm good at my job rather than spending time actually doing my job. I'm fed up of my employer making it harder and harder for me to do my job well and seeing students get a worse 'product' every year inspite of us killing ourselves to offset the impact of cuts etc.

We may be down to one or no income by this July. The uncertainty is awful. As is the complexity of trying to do the best thing when we have so little information.

Chrysanthemum5 · 03/10/2025 08:18

Thanks all sad to see so many in the same position. I think @Excitingnewusername nails it - we are making life altering decisions with no real information. It's been going on for a year now at my institution and I'm just at the end of my patience

Borland · 03/10/2025 10:32

Chesticles · 01/10/2025 11:11

I am also disillusioned, but am younger, 49, so retirement isn't an option. Our Uni isn't doing VS, just a recruitment freeze. However there is a general malaise around the whole school, and we are not immune to factors effecting the whole sector. There just isn't any money anywhere! Not sure what to do, I just don't know where else I can work. I really am institutionalised.

Sympathy to you all. I think if I was pushed out with compulsary redundancy it would almost be better as that way I would be forced into having to do something else. Being brave enough to leap is not easy. And it might backfire. Arrrgh, like others, going round in circles again!

I’m 47 and took the leap this summer, got a decent payout (which is now all gone on badly needed house renovations) and I’m about to start a role in the civil service. A big factor in my decision was that if it had taken a while to get a new job, we could scrape by on DH’s salary. I’m so glad I got out when I did as friends still there tell me things are even worse and there is now no current option for redundancy.

AppleCrumbledDown · 12/10/2025 18:05

Hearing rumours of yet more redundancies at Derby, this time with big cuts to PS staff. Its already pretty dire after recruitment freezes and cut backs but job cuts after spending millions on new buildings is in poor taste

Excitingnewusername · 14/10/2025 23:21

DH has now firmly decided to take VR.

I'm suddenly facing life with a retiree before the end of this academic year, having thought less than a year ago that we'd both still be working for many (many) years to come (all being well).

The impact on our household income will be huge, even if I survive any CR rounds (he's the higher earner).

And I'm just supposed to deal with that emotionally and practically whilst getting on with all the extra workload being piled on top of us at the moment, and supporting colleagues who are also facing these huge decisions - 'sorry you need to stop crying now and go back to your office as I have to give an hour and half lecture in 10 minutes and I've not had time to look over my slides yet or get into enthusiastic teacher mode'...

It really is just too much.

aldisud · 14/10/2025 23:52

That is so tough. Do you work in the same dept. It is unconscionable the amount of stuff being piled on us. I really thought I'd toddlee along in this job into my 70s, like some colleagues have done. But can't face it any more. Constant change, constant threats, anxiety, last minutism, demands from all ends - oh and I'm running the uoa REF.

Chrysanthemum5 · 15/10/2025 08:10

Im sorry @Excitingnewusername that is really tough. The situation in universities right now is unbelievably bad and I look at students coming in and want to do my best for them but I'm exhausted by the daily battles.

My daughter is autistic and really struggling with life and my 'caring' employers do not care at all. They gave me one day's leave when she was suicidal. And yet we get emails every week about looking after our health and how the leadership are doing their utmost to be transparent and save jobs. It's all just bollocks they do not care about us or our students