IT services won't grant me admin rights!

Hopelessacademic · 2022-10-18T14:17:37+00:00

Aaaaargh bloody IT services!!!!!! Sorry I just need a moan... I need to download random bits of software to do my job, but they refuse to grant me admin privileges! The most recent thing is trying to do a bit of web development... I need node.js, which takes them a couple of days to approve, then yarn, which is the same bloody story! Meanwhile my manager is like "have you had a chance to edit the website?" ... er no, because I can't bloody download any software without having to speak to some drippy "IT support" worker. I understand they're trying to stop students torrenting crap and bringing the whole system down with viruses, but surely staff should get some extra level of access??? Especially ones in the school of engineering!

Plexie · 18/10/2022 15:30

What type of website are you running that can only be edited after downloading specific software? Most organisations have a content management system that can assign an editing account to individual staff via a log-in.

It's common for staff not to be given admin rights to their computers - it's to stop them downloading any old crap and also prevent hackers/malware sneaking software onto machines.

If there is additional software that staff need a lot, you could try asking your IT department to find a way to make it more easily available, eg via an internal software centre from which staff can request/download specific software without going through IT support.

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Hopelessacademic · 18/10/2022 15:37

The website is a github pages one run by docusaurus... I don't know much about web stuff really but the person who wrote it (who uses linux) gave me instructions on how to edit it, but I need these bits of software... it's just so frustrating. Last week I had to wait for them to approve my download of MATLAB, which is surely pretty mainstream??
They have a "software centre" with pre-approved programs but there's very little in there, microsoft teams and some accessibility stuff etc

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Hopelessacademic · 18/10/2022 15:38

I appreciate they don't want to give all staff access, but surely some access??? Is there an admin-lite setting haha?

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glassfully · 18/10/2022 18:13

Funny you should mention it. I tried to download Google chrome yesterday and didn't have the right permissions. I had to ask IT and I'm still waiting for a response.

parietal · 18/10/2022 21:52

my department gives all academics their own admin rights. I think we would get the pitchforks out if they didn't.

this is on computers purchased on a grant, not from a university budget.

LondonQueen · 18/10/2022 22:14

Pretty common unfortunately, a pain in the arse at times but still common!

damekindness · 19/10/2022 16:28

Our admin staff have just stopped unsupervised access to the stationary cupboard by academics never mind access to software

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Hopelessacademic · 20/10/2022 11:38

damekindness · 19/10/2022 16:28

Our admin staff have just stopped unsupervised access to the stationary cupboard by academics never mind access to software

Oh my gosh!
I have no real need for stationary but that sounds pretty infantilising!

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Hopelessacademic · 20/10/2022 11:40

parietal · 18/10/2022 21:52

my department gives all academics their own admin rights. I think we would get the pitchforks out if they didn't.

this is on computers purchased on a grant, not from a university budget.

maybe we should... it seems to be a common gripe!

Interestingly in my last job I got a new laptop and because it was during lockdown they just posted it directly to me from the supplier so it was unmanaged! It was sooooo much better! Guess I've been spoilt!

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WindyHedges · 22/10/2022 19:22

I feel your pain. I have a new Postdoc starting in the new year so I’m getting the IT set up. The Postdoc wants a Mac. The model is cheaper than tne HP Windows crap they dole out to everyone. But I have to jump through hoops to make a business case because”oh it’s a special order”

Jobsworths.

Lellochip · 22/10/2022 19:27

I'm in IT services (maybe the same uni 😅) and even our own staff struggle to get hold of an unmanaged machine these days!

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Hopelessacademic · 23/10/2022 15:24

Lellochip · 22/10/2022 19:27

I'm in IT services (maybe the same uni 😅) and even our own staff struggle to get hold of an unmanaged machine these days!

Oh my gosh this terrifies me!!
To be fair I don't want unmanaged, they just need to grant me the rights!

Don't know why it's taken me so long to realise this, but I could actually just download the software and edit the website on my own personal laptop... it's a bit slower than the shiny new work one, but at least it's unfettered lol

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Misty999 · 23/10/2022 15:28

I work in a university and there is a form that faculty admin signs off to give you admin rights.

Bard6817 · 02/12/2022 08:04

The denial of admit rights to staff, is 100% correct.

It’s for your protection, the organisations protection and the protection of the information you deal with regularly.

Computer security can be a bit like protecting a castle. You have a moat, big walls around the perimeter, zones on the inside and finally lockable rooms with the more valuable stuff on the inside. Penetration beyond the moat is a problem, but behind that you do have lots of defences.

Dont you remember the Nhs grinding to a halt a few years back with Windows XP…. They didn’t maintain their defences and keep current, everywhere.

There’s a saying in IT, every computer is a router. It means every computer can forward on data traffic. That’s by design. It’s how the internet exists. But, it also means every computer is a risk, it has the potential to allow someone in past all the defences, effectively to parachute right into the middle of the castle, land on the roof of the room with the jewels in, break the roof light and get access. And a large percentage of the time, it’s something the user has done which enables it.

Few IT departments are perfect. Especially when dealing with tight budgets and a difficult users. Don’t be a difficult user. The teams supporting you, know the bad customers, and hate working with you. Just be clear what you want and ask how long it will take, then hold them to account on that. If you move the goal posts, expect the time to move too. It’s just like any other professional relationship, you get good, bad and average.

Rather disgusted by some of the comments on here about drippy and jobsworths…. I’ve worked in small and large organisations and whilst quality does vary wildly, and 1st point of contact is usually very young, cheap, staff, they are rarely jobsworths, and as for drippy, i have no idea what that means, but if you abused my staff like that, when all they are trying to do is help you, you would be on a disciplinary…. When i hear these abuses of staff going on, more often than not, it’s a K17 problem…. The real problem is 17 inches away from YOUR keyboard.

NewIdeasToday · 02/12/2022 08:12

“some drippy "IT support" worker.”

maybe your attitude isn’t helping!!
you catch more flies with honey than vinegar

MedSchoolRat · 02/12/2022 08:19

Get them to put MatLab into Software centre. You'll need updates in future.

Harangue until some IT support person sits with you to install the json or whatever you need for github.

Personally I don't want Admin rights on my work devices although this is a pain not to have AR for all reasons people say here. But I have form for breaking computer OSs so I appreciate a firewall between me & disaster. Also, them having admin rights mean they manage backups & upgrades & security software upgrades & compatibility & a lot of other tech things I don't want to keep track of.

It's been 25+ years since any of us (my institution) could easily get admin rights on most Uni equipment.

sanityisamyth · 02/12/2022 08:46

damekindness · 19/10/2022 16:28

Our admin staff have just stopped unsupervised access to the stationary cupboard by academics never mind access to software

Most cupboards are stationary ... 🙈

Rebelyells · 02/12/2022 09:02

@sanityisamyth Always hilarious pointing out minor literacy errors to the proles isn't it?

sanityisamyth · 02/12/2022 13:02

In an academic common room I'd expect a basic level of literacy!

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Bard6817 · 02/12/2022 08:04

The denial of admit rights to staff, is 100% correct.

It’s for your protection, the organisations protection and the protection of the information you deal with regularly.

Computer security can be a bit like protecting a castle. You have a moat, big walls around the perimeter, zones on the inside and finally lockable rooms with the more valuable stuff on the inside. Penetration beyond the moat is a problem, but behind that you do have lots of defences.

Dont you remember the Nhs grinding to a halt a few years back with Windows XP…. They didn’t maintain their defences and keep current, everywhere.

There’s a saying in IT, every computer is a router. It means every computer can forward on data traffic. That’s by design. It’s how the internet exists. But, it also means every computer is a risk, it has the potential to allow someone in past all the defences, effectively to parachute right into the middle of the castle, land on the roof of the room with the jewels in, break the roof light and get access. And a large percentage of the time, it’s something the user has done which enables it.

Few IT departments are perfect. Especially when dealing with tight budgets and a difficult users. Don’t be a difficult user. The teams supporting you, know the bad customers, and hate working with you. Just be clear what you want and ask how long it will take, then hold them to account on that. If you move the goal posts, expect the time to move too. It’s just like any other professional relationship, you get good, bad and average.

Rather disgusted by some of the comments on here about drippy and jobsworths…. I’ve worked in small and large organisations and whilst quality does vary wildly, and 1st point of contact is usually very young, cheap, staff, they are rarely jobsworths, and as for drippy, i have no idea what that means, but if you abused my staff like that, when all they are trying to do is help you, you would be on a disciplinary…. When i hear these abuses of staff going on, more often than not, it’s a K17 problem…. The real problem is 17 inches away from YOUR keyboard.

This.

Looksgood · 19/03/2023 17:17

Bard6817 · 02/12/2022 08:04

The denial of admit rights to staff, is 100% correct.

It’s for your protection, the organisations protection and the protection of the information you deal with regularly.

Computer security can be a bit like protecting a castle. You have a moat, big walls around the perimeter, zones on the inside and finally lockable rooms with the more valuable stuff on the inside. Penetration beyond the moat is a problem, but behind that you do have lots of defences.

Dont you remember the Nhs grinding to a halt a few years back with Windows XP…. They didn’t maintain their defences and keep current, everywhere.

There’s a saying in IT, every computer is a router. It means every computer can forward on data traffic. That’s by design. It’s how the internet exists. But, it also means every computer is a risk, it has the potential to allow someone in past all the defences, effectively to parachute right into the middle of the castle, land on the roof of the room with the jewels in, break the roof light and get access. And a large percentage of the time, it’s something the user has done which enables it.

Few IT departments are perfect. Especially when dealing with tight budgets and a difficult users. Don’t be a difficult user. The teams supporting you, know the bad customers, and hate working with you. Just be clear what you want and ask how long it will take, then hold them to account on that. If you move the goal posts, expect the time to move too. It’s just like any other professional relationship, you get good, bad and average.

Rather disgusted by some of the comments on here about drippy and jobsworths…. I’ve worked in small and large organisations and whilst quality does vary wildly, and 1st point of contact is usually very young, cheap, staff, they are rarely jobsworths, and as for drippy, i have no idea what that means, but if you abused my staff like that, when all they are trying to do is help you, you would be on a disciplinary…. When i hear these abuses of staff going on, more often than not, it’s a K17 problem…. The real problem is 17 inches away from YOUR keyboard.

Agree with this too. Sure, you can make a case that admin rights or a different OS may be necessary. But everything that you add makes security (and legal obligations around security) more difficult and expensive for the institution as a whole.

Exceptions undermine savings through efficient procurement. If your postdoc just "wants" something different from the norm, I'd ask him to adopt the norm. If he actually needs (and gets) something different to the norm, you've added support and security expenses. That may be worthwhile. It may not be. It may be worth enabling academics to have admin rights. Or it may be safer and better value for IT support to control these machines and install / update as and when.

Fees are down (in real terms). Costs are way up. There are invisible but substantial costs to what you're demanding here. Are they reasonable costs? Depends on your institution's IT infrastructure but quite likely not.

recorderscansoundgreat · 19/03/2023 17:33

You have my sympathy. I work in academia, but as support staff. I've long had admin rights after the time I had to phone for the admin password while offsite doing critical work for which I needed additional software. I also use so much unusual software that I'd be a right pain to IT if they had to approve all of it. I've made sure I'm nice to all the IT staff!

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amgine · 24/03/2023 20:21

Remember the IT staff are your colleagues too. Those ‘drippy’ it staff, and ‘jobsworths’ as you call them are doing their jobs. Security alas has to come ahead of a lot of things - because a failure of security ultimately can have huge costs both financially and for peoples information. And it’s not that you as an individual are it trusted, but if someone gets access to your device through nefarious means - your access could be the weak spot in the defences.

If anything you should be petitioning for your IT teams to be supported with enough people to do the work which is usually the crux of the issue and the slower speed of response.

believe it or not we’re not out there to stop people working. We want to help and do the best job to support our colleagues.