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I've been an absolute fool. I deserve "I told you so" and a big kick up the arse.

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opiumeater · 02/11/2017 16:16

My DH and I work in adjacent fields. He is far more senior than I am - field-leading professor, HoD, whereas I am early career on short-term, pt contracts and running a business on the side to make ends meet.

The problem I have is that we work in closely related departments and he is standing in my way. The official excuse is because he's scared of being accused of nepotism. When casual teaching opportunities come up, I can't have them because of "his position". They go to PhD students instead, even when I am more qualified and more experienced in the particular area. He recently gave a bunch of teaching to someone from the ex-poly down the road, who doesn't even have a PhD and isn't even en route to getting one, in preference to giving it to me. When opportunities to chair sessions, or to do important admin tasks, or anything else comes up, I'm excluded for the same reasons.

I recently spent ages working on a bid with him. The bid was my original idea. It's in my research area, which is firmly connected to my PhD and postdoc research. I spent hours not only editing it and doing costings but substantively contributing to the theoretical framework, drawing heavily on my own research and knowledge of the literature. I spent days getting all the sodding green ticks in line on the endlessly complicated application, ensuring the costings and supplementary documents were all consistent etc. I did all this on the understanding was that I'd be written in as an RA with DH as PI.

DH took what I'd done and drew in a bunch of new people with more permanent jobs, many of whom I don't know. They made a few minor changes, and put in for the grant, without my name on it. DH won it - it's for a substantial amount of money. Then he told me the RA posts would be advertised and I couldn't even apply because he was PI and it would look like he had given me a job.

So I'm now watching my own idea and my own work slide out of view. I feel like he's literally stolen my idea, and to some extent also my research identity. Before I met him, he was interested in a fairly weak, minor field that was tangentially related to mine, which is larger, more complex and more difficult. Since we've been together, he's increasingly colonising my territory and making it his 'brand'.

I feel completely.... betrayed.

I've also contributed in a substantive way to his papers, without credit. He's promised to write with me in return, but the work never, ever materialises. I've come to realise that essentially what he wants is for me to produce my best work and for him to be able to put his name on the top.

It's not just him either. I am surrounded by academics who want me to work on their papers (I'm known as a good writer/editor) without credit, and without pay. I've foolishly been doing this for some time, in the hope that one of them might throw me a bone of an opportunity, but the reciprocity never materialises. Over the last 8 years, like an absolute fucking idiot, I have literally written huge sections of well-cited papers in the field, without credit.

I'm finding this all incredibly decimating to my self-confidence and my self-worth. To be honest, they weren't very high in the first place, which I guess is the reason I've allowed this to go on for so long as it has. I now spend a lot of time crying and feeling utterly worthless, undervalued and exploited. I know that my work is good enough to be published and win major grants, because it has been taken without credit by other people and it has done so, yet I feel so hollowed out by all this that I don't feel like I have the confidence to go forward independently.

I'm 40 soon and I'm feeling very unhappy about where I am and what I'm doing. I know I need to buck my ideas up, pluckily pick myself up and get working on my own behalf, but I am honestly struggling to get through a day at the moment. I feel like I'm in some sort of depressed torpor and need a shot of adrenaline to the heart or something to get out of it. The worst thing is, at some level I have done this to myself. I'm a total fool.

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opiumeater · 03/11/2017 08:29

Oh my God, that was ridiculously long. Sorry. Blush

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MuggaTea · 03/11/2017 08:37

That looks like a lot of progress ! and a clear plan.
question: why can't you be the PI of the new grant? You do not need to be an academic to be PI.

FurryGiraffe · 03/11/2017 08:52

opiumeater

First of all, I'm very sorry to hear about your childhood, and I'm glad you're accessing counselling now.

None of this is your fault though. Yes, you have 'allowed' yourself to exploited, but that is only possible because other people have sought to exploit you. Coming from colleagues, this is unpleasant, though sadly all too common (particularly for women I think) but from your own husband it is simply appalling. That he is willing to exploit you at all is vile; that he is willing to do so knowing of your psychological vulnerabilities is doubly so.

I'm afraid, to my mind, your update paints his behaviour in an even worse light. He never intended to include you on the project- so he deliberately misled you in order to get you to do the work. But then he's changed it, not only to exclude you, but actually in a manner (from what you say) that diminishes the coherence and viability of the research. In other words, he's so intent on holding you back, that he's prepared to weaken a funding bid on which he is PI to do so. That's just extraordinary.

And you absolutely mustn't feel that you have done 'terribly' at having it out with him. You haven't. You had it out with him. You have not accepted his excuses. The fact that you cried does not diminish this. Showing emotion is not something to be ashamed of. You have been betrayed in an appalling way by the person who is supposed to love and cherish you above anyone else. If you aren't allowed to be emotional about that, when are you?

Summerswallow · 03/11/2017 08:52

Sounds like you are working it through, but I can't quite get over that your husband just took your idea and ran with it (whilst shifting it mentally to 'something I was interested in too'). How could he justify dropping your role out of the grant? And saying he wouldn't employ you on it?

Yes, I get he's crying and all, but he must have known this is wrong.

I'm so sorry you had such a shitty time growing up that this leave you vulnerable to people literally taking what they want. I've seen this happen before with absolutely lovely people who are genuinely clever in their own right, but their ability to assert what they need is eroded, so they end up doing the drudge housework, childcare, running the house whilst the professor(male) is away and they turn around and by aged 40 have no career to speak of whatsoever.

My issue for you is that time is of the essence. If you want to go it alone and work as an academic, time will run out as you will be behind the curve of where you should be and this will make it harder and harder to get good jobs. If you want to strike out alone, now really is the time.

Your husband hasn't been supportive, he's relied on your support to get him where he wants to be and was expecting you to just keep on being there, giving him ideas, editing his papers etc without meeting your own needs.

Either, you will articulate them and he'll come with you and support them, or he'll struggle with the new you. Good luck with it all.

bobthebuddha · 03/11/2017 08:55

OP, yes it’s terrifying but you CAN do this. You have clarity and understanding and that’s a hugely important step on the road. And nothing wrong with crying and getting emotional - just see it as cathartic. You have the steps to make changes clear in your mind already - go for it Smile

user2019697 · 03/11/2017 09:20

What you are describing is quite common amongst female academics (particularly in fields where women are in a minority, I think) and also sadly quite common amongst academic couples - where the man prioritises his own career and lets his partner do a disproportionate share not just of domestic talks but also academic work (where they work in the same fields).

I agree with all other posters - start taking care of yourself.

Stop doing things for other people when you don't get credit. This is the single biggest mistake of female academics - they are more collegiate and allow themselves to be given uncredited workload.

In your shoes I could not stay with this person. If you are not in circumstances right now where you can leave him, work step by step at getting to a position where you can. Nobody who loved you would treat you like this.

PhilODox · 03/11/2017 09:21

He then said that he never really intended to give me the work, but that he didn't think it would be an issue because he didn't think he'd get the grant.

He doesn't want you to get credit for your ideas, theories, and hard work.

He is telling you that he doesn't.

Do not place the blame on your shoulders for his behaviour, please. Yes, its a complicated set of circumstances, but he was crying because he knows his steady supply of academic ideas and support is about to dry up; you've rumbled him!

Are there other institutions that are interested in same field of research? It's definitely time for a change.
Good luck Flowers

user2019697 · 03/11/2017 09:22

BTW an academic mentor sounds like a very good idea. He is abusing you and you seem to be accepting his excuses for his behaviour. Somebody who works in academia will give you confidence to believe that his behaviour is unacceptable.

opiumeater · 03/11/2017 09:38

Thank you all, you're being very kind - more than I deserve! I've been an idiot! I'm genuinely not trying to excuse DH's behaviour, but I am still trying to comprehend this and to work out my strategy for the future. I agree with summerswallow that I need to get my ass into gear quickly, and with user that I need a long term plan that allows me to step confidently into my own voice and position, which may mean a geographical shift as well as a lot more work in counselling (this stuff really is hard for me, I'm pathetically crippled by the stupid anxiety I feel but I am working hard on it using all kinds of tools).

In terms of finding an excuse/explanation for his behaviour - I think I'm too desensitized because of the way this has happened time and time again. I work on something, substantively, and I don't get credit for it and the person who has done the work honestly ends up believing it is theirs. I think DH genuinely thought this was "his" bid, because he doesn't acknowledge the extent to which I have contributed to the entire way he frames debates in the last 10 years we've been together (my training is much more hardcore "philosophical" than his), and that has somehow makes it easy for him to ignore the actual labour that I did on this, even though he actually watched me slaving over it for hours and hours at a time. I think because of my anxiety and submissiveness it is simply very easy for people not to acknowledge me and they have a lot of interests in doing so. You are all correct, though, that a husband who knows me and knows how hard I am struggling should not be doing this. I think it will take me a very long time to get past this, if I can at all.

I am not excusing this behaviour in saying this. It is utterly wrong, completely unethical, and very hurtful. I just find it, in a strange way, fascinating to watch these people write me out like this. I think they genuinely mould their beliefs in accordance with what is convenient, not what has actually happened. Which is, of course, dysfunctional and brings me to:

"Stop doing things for other people when you don't get credit. This is the single biggest mistake of female academics - they are more collegiate and allow themselves to be given uncredited workload"

This is the answer. Unless I am being paid to edit something on the side, I am not doing it, not for "friends", not for DH. If I write something on a paper, my name is going on the top. It's only by being clear about this that I'm going to give myself space to break out.

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JigglyTuff · 03/11/2017 09:57

I’m on a train so can’t write much but just wanted to say that you’re doing brilliantly. You’ve recognised it’s an issue and you’re taking steps to change it. And the more steps you take, the easier it will become to take a stride.

Would you consider couples counselling? As you’ve now acknowledged, the dynamic between your husband and you is really unhealthy and it might be helpful for you to get some outside input into turning that around.

bigkidsdidit · 03/11/2017 09:58

Well done.

Why can't you be sole PI, or use it as a bid for a fellowship?

opiumeater · 03/11/2017 10:15

I would really love to be sole PI but I fear I'm too junior for that to be credible. I believe these things are quite hierarchical in this field, and you're supposed to have big names on board, though I am not the most experienced person (as you've probably gathered) and willing to be told otherwise!

I am going to get a couple of publications I am working on out, as a matter of priority, and then look into an early career fellowship. I think I will be a decent contender for one quite soon if I can just stop stressing and worrying and get my published ducks in line.

Couples counselling is probably going to be essential in the longer term. At the moment, I think my focus might have to be on my sole counselling, as this whole thing has thrown up how utterly, stupidly vulnerable I am while I don't have sole authored papers out there with my name on them, and I can't do that without psychological support. I'm sitting on a ton of work that I've done that I can get out quite quickly if I just put on my big girl pants. The marriage stuff will have to come second to this - this situation has forced my hand.

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Graby · 03/11/2017 10:30

Once you feel up to it, think about how to take your next steps. You suggest you are not earning much. I hope you have access to family finances, and perhaps could access some really top-quality academic career counselling, e.g. Karen Kelsky.

Do you need to carry on with the side business? Your husband may have convinced himself that you were just not that single-minded about your career (as mine did).

Are there any papers where you could reasonably go back to the authors and say you've been thinking about the ghostwriting issue in academia, and on reflection consider that you should properly be added as an author? Since papers published online can have attributions changed fairly straightforwardly, it might be worth a try. It's difficult if you are relying on them for references or similar.

I do of course understand what you mean about how they perceive your contribution to be really theirs, because people are very good at fooling themselves. If they perceive you as a lovely friend who does wonderful helpful copy-editing; but this will change. 39 is young. One of my colleagues began a first postdoc at 40 and made chair a few years later.

I did fall into the same trap in the early postdoc stage - and moved fields partly to avoid working in the same space as my DP. I'm unnerved to see how easy it would have been to fall into your situation. I've noticed that I end up editing his papers, job applications and presentations just a little more than he does mine. Early on, he would make little requests beginning 'could you just have a quick look at... ?' or 'could you just show me how to...?' I eventually began to say 'no, because you're asking me to do it'.

Don't give up. This is a chance to regroup and really think about what you want. You are young, you have a PhD in hand, you are immensely clever and hard-working, and with some strategic tweaks it should all pay off, still. See this piece for example:

medium.com/the-mission/forget-about-the-10-000-hour-rule-7b7a39343523

Footle · 03/11/2017 10:44

You’ve woken up. You’ve got a plan. There’s a bit of the Old Man of the Sea going on - don’t be dragged under again.

ArcheryAnnie · 03/11/2017 11:00

Dear god. He has behaved so, so badly, both as a husband and as a professional. So very badly. You haven't. I am so angry on your behalf, OP. He shouldn't be able to behave that way towards anybody, whether they are married to him or not.

It also makes me wonder how many other women's work he's stolen. You are in good company, though. Some of the most brilliant women in academic history have had their work pinched by arsehole men. (The fact that these arsehole men were also brilliant does not excuse them at all.)

bobthebuddha · 03/11/2017 11:27

Unless I am being paid to edit something on the side, I am not doing it, not for "friends", not for DH. If I write something on a paper, my name is going on the top. It's only by being clear about this that I'm going to give myself space to break out.

Don't waver. Especially not for your DH - he can do his own bloody work if he wants credit. We're going to hold you to it Smile

TooDamnSarky · 03/11/2017 12:12

Sounds like a good plan.
And don’t forget to get a mentor. I massively regret not doing this sooner.
And stop apologising :)

QuentinSummers · 03/11/2017 14:54

I think you should either put yourself as PI or find someone else to go the bid with you. Do NOT go on with your DH. As then if it succeeds you will both feel it's down to him but if it fails it'll be on you.
And let his changed bid stew. Don't offer advice, don't talk to him about it, don't help his students.
You need to break away from him for your own confidence.

HLBug · 03/11/2017 15:18

* I think you should either put yourself as PI or find someone else to go the bid with you. Do NOT go on with your DH.*

I absolutely agree with this advice - find someone (anyone!) else.

opiumeater · 03/11/2017 15:37

I don't think I can be PI (am taking advice on this, but it is pretty hierarchical from what I gather - I am too junior) but I will look for another PI on the bid. Good advice.

footle - Love the Old Man of the Sea analogy. I'm on the beach and firmly staying out of the water. Wink

graby - Thanks for the encouragement about my not being too old. I didn't get much sleep last night, and I feel like I'm about 150 today. I actually ache! I almost cried on hearing that I could still do it at my advanced age. I am not a particularly ambitious person, but I do love what I do and I would like to have a secure job doing it.

What you say about the business is insightful. It's possible that, along with my reluctance to publish because of my issues, it has helped my DH to excuse his behaviour. I find editing occupies the same part of my head as my own writing does, so it does actually deplete my energy when it comes to producing my own stuff. I have a couple of jobs coming in but apart from those commitments I think I'm going to wind it up and focus on the academic side, as this will also allow me to draw a clear line in the sand across the board and say "no" to people taking the piss.

DH is going to get a pay rise shortly because the grant he has won on my bid puts him in a professorial bracket that means he is in the top something % of the field, and this means he will probably get more money. It's not as much as we'd have got if I'd been doing a full-time post on it, though, which goes to show where his priorities are in terms of different kinds of capital. He bloody well owes me, so I'm going to use the extra cash to cover the end of my business and use that time for writing instead.

I am wondering whether I need to go the GP and get meds for depression. I feel terribly low, lethargic, and just straight-up scared a lot of the time. Or maybe I just need to learn to harness that for my writing. I don't know.

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Anatidae · 03/11/2017 15:43

You’re part of a long line of women who have had their work pinched by men.

I could not forgive this professionally. I absolutely could not forgive it personally.

Your husband is abusing you. I know that’s a hard thing to hear.

ArbitraryName · 03/11/2017 15:57

Could you apply to be PI on one of the early career grant schemes? You’re not supposed to be hugely experienced to get one of them.

Appuskidu · 03/11/2017 16:00

Your DH is a knob.

QuentinSummers · 03/11/2017 16:05

feel terribly low, lethargic, and just straight-up scared a lot of the time
Yeah you might be depressed. Or you might be burned out from the work you have been doing and the emotion of feeling not good enough at your job and simultaneously angry with your husband.
I think you said you were having therapy? Maybe ask the therapist what she thinks. It looks like you have a lot going on so how you feel is understandable, be kind to yourself.

annandale · 03/11/2017 18:33

Not being an academic I am glad you are getting some specific advice. I too thought immediately, why on earth would you get your DH to help you with this new work? Find someone else if it is feasible to do so. You have consistent evidence over a long period that he will screw over ignore your interests in favour of his own in a professional context. Why would you actually choose to do a new project with his involvement?