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I've been an absolute fool. I deserve "I told you so" and a big kick up the arse.

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opiumeater · 02/11/2017 16:16

My DH and I work in adjacent fields. He is far more senior than I am - field-leading professor, HoD, whereas I am early career on short-term, pt contracts and running a business on the side to make ends meet.

The problem I have is that we work in closely related departments and he is standing in my way. The official excuse is because he's scared of being accused of nepotism. When casual teaching opportunities come up, I can't have them because of "his position". They go to PhD students instead, even when I am more qualified and more experienced in the particular area. He recently gave a bunch of teaching to someone from the ex-poly down the road, who doesn't even have a PhD and isn't even en route to getting one, in preference to giving it to me. When opportunities to chair sessions, or to do important admin tasks, or anything else comes up, I'm excluded for the same reasons.

I recently spent ages working on a bid with him. The bid was my original idea. It's in my research area, which is firmly connected to my PhD and postdoc research. I spent hours not only editing it and doing costings but substantively contributing to the theoretical framework, drawing heavily on my own research and knowledge of the literature. I spent days getting all the sodding green ticks in line on the endlessly complicated application, ensuring the costings and supplementary documents were all consistent etc. I did all this on the understanding was that I'd be written in as an RA with DH as PI.

DH took what I'd done and drew in a bunch of new people with more permanent jobs, many of whom I don't know. They made a few minor changes, and put in for the grant, without my name on it. DH won it - it's for a substantial amount of money. Then he told me the RA posts would be advertised and I couldn't even apply because he was PI and it would look like he had given me a job.

So I'm now watching my own idea and my own work slide out of view. I feel like he's literally stolen my idea, and to some extent also my research identity. Before I met him, he was interested in a fairly weak, minor field that was tangentially related to mine, which is larger, more complex and more difficult. Since we've been together, he's increasingly colonising my territory and making it his 'brand'.

I feel completely.... betrayed.

I've also contributed in a substantive way to his papers, without credit. He's promised to write with me in return, but the work never, ever materialises. I've come to realise that essentially what he wants is for me to produce my best work and for him to be able to put his name on the top.

It's not just him either. I am surrounded by academics who want me to work on their papers (I'm known as a good writer/editor) without credit, and without pay. I've foolishly been doing this for some time, in the hope that one of them might throw me a bone of an opportunity, but the reciprocity never materialises. Over the last 8 years, like an absolute fucking idiot, I have literally written huge sections of well-cited papers in the field, without credit.

I'm finding this all incredibly decimating to my self-confidence and my self-worth. To be honest, they weren't very high in the first place, which I guess is the reason I've allowed this to go on for so long as it has. I now spend a lot of time crying and feeling utterly worthless, undervalued and exploited. I know that my work is good enough to be published and win major grants, because it has been taken without credit by other people and it has done so, yet I feel so hollowed out by all this that I don't feel like I have the confidence to go forward independently.

I'm 40 soon and I'm feeling very unhappy about where I am and what I'm doing. I know I need to buck my ideas up, pluckily pick myself up and get working on my own behalf, but I am honestly struggling to get through a day at the moment. I feel like I'm in some sort of depressed torpor and need a shot of adrenaline to the heart or something to get out of it. The worst thing is, at some level I have done this to myself. I'm a total fool.

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3luckystars · 02/11/2017 17:57

Is there anyone that can amend this to put your name on it? There must be some way of doing this because it must have happened before that someone’s name was left out in error and it was corrected??

I would have to put this right, it’s theft. If he did this to someone else you would be horrified. You are worth the same as anyone else and that’s why you are crying, you know it’s wrong.

Stand up and fight even if it terrifies you. Good luck girl x

Ellboo · 02/11/2017 18:04

Why were you even being written in as an RA and not a co-I? I feel so angry on your behalf.
It definitely sounds like it’s time to move on. Would you consider applying for something geographically away from him to give you space from the relationship as well as the career sabotage?
You are clearly very talented. You have to find a way to stop letting other people exploit that talent.

counterpoint · 02/11/2017 18:23

Who is your postdoctoral supervisor, op? Is it your DH or someone else entirely?

counterpoint · 02/11/2017 18:31

"Then he told me the RA posts would be advertised and I couldn't even apply because he was PI and it would look like he had given me a job.

So I'm now watching my own idea and my own work slide out of view"

Go ahead and apply. He can't stop you.

If you don't even get an interview ask for a formal explanation as to why not. You are entitled to that.

However, having said that, why would you want to work closer with the manipulating cheat of a DH that you have?

If you are as good as you say (& I don't doubt that) then you will have many more bright ideas so wise up and apply with someone from another Uni working in your field.
Good luck.

counterpoint · 02/11/2017 18:34

PS
Ask for the formal explanation of why you were turned down / not interviewed through the Uni HR department and not from your DH.
Go above his head and don't involve him ever again.

OutandIntoday · 02/11/2017 18:40

Would you consider raising a grievance about the department citing the grant and all the positions you have been overlooked for?

annandale · 02/11/2017 18:42

I will cut him a tiny amount of slack. It's possible for people to do terrible things from thoughtlessness and cluelessness. It sounds like he needs a management mentor himself if every time he faces something complex involving balancing different interests he approaches it so rigidly... except that every time he has somehow let the decision hurt your interests.

MuggaTea · 02/11/2017 18:45

He can't stop you applying.
You should be able to find the procedure from HR direct on the interview process.
worst case is you ask for feedback why you didn't get it
Go and Apply.

PhilODox · 02/11/2017 18:50

What an utter cockwomble! It sounds as though he knows full well he's exploiting you. Do you have children?
Leave him, please, and benefit from your own hard work.

OutandIntoday · 02/11/2017 18:55

His behaviour by verbally telling you not to apply for roles could maybe amount to a claim for constructive dismisal - though i appreciate you are on short term contacts so this may not be applicable. As pp said - just apply anyway.

deckoff · 02/11/2017 18:56

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PollytheDolly · 02/11/2017 19:00

I have nothing intellectual to say other than he’s being a self-serving twat.

FurryGiraffe · 02/11/2017 19:03

I will cut him a tiny amount of slack. It's possible for people to do terrible things from thoughtlessness and cluelessness

Removing the OP from a grant proposal which she wrote is not thoughtlessness- it's a calculated move designed either to further his own career or sabotage hers or both.

opiumeater · 02/11/2017 19:26

Just a quick one to say thank you all for the advice, I am listening, am in the middle of confrontation with DH about this. May be the morning before I can report back fully at this rate. Sad

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Closetlibrarian · 02/11/2017 19:48

Another one saying go above his head on this one. Do you have evidence of your work on the grant application (eg an email you sent to him with a document attached that is subtantially similar to what he submitted)? If so, I’d be taking this to my dean of research as evidence that he wrote you out of the application.

Notanumberuser · 02/11/2017 19:50

I would leave him for that.

pipistrell · 02/11/2017 19:53

Awful behaviour from him!

Do you have anyone independent who you can go to for help?

ArbitraryName · 02/11/2017 19:57

I don’t think I could forgive DH if he purposefully thwarted my opportunities and then stole my grant proposal. That’s completely unacceptable.

You definitely didn’t do this to yourself. He has done it to you. And it cannot possibly be accidental.

Callamia · 02/11/2017 19:57

I’m just so angry for you.
Your husband is a wanker of the highest order, and you have every right to be hurt, angry and file a complaint against him.

I assume that you have evidence that you worked on this proposal too. I’m not sure how your relationship survives this, and I feel like you’d likely be better elsewhere.

I’m sorry this is happening, and I hope you get something back from your current discussion. You deserve a lot.

timeisnotaline · 02/11/2017 19:59

Apply. And tell him that after the amount of times he has completely screwed you at work that if you don't get it your marriage is on the rocks and you want a job elsewhere, and you don't give a shit about nepotism because you've been the victim of reverse nepotism for a long time now and it's on him to make it right. Point out he has lots of evidence of treating you like shit if anyone called nepotism. But look at job openings anyway because wouldn't it be nice to work with people who value you? Jesus Christ, your own husband.

ArbitraryName · 02/11/2017 20:01

I think I would apply, and include in my application infuriation about how I wrote the grant application based on my own ideas. Because they aren’t going to find anyone better for the job than the person who designed the research in the first place!

LivLemler · 02/11/2017 20:53

Oh god OP, that's awful. It's such a betrayal, I think it would change how I felt about the marriage. I don't say that lightly.

impostersyndrome · 02/11/2017 22:00

I'm so sorry for your situation. You sound like an incredibly talented academic. If you manage to have it out with him, you definitely can and should have your name added to the grant. He may have to allocate some of his FTE to you. It's all done very straightforwardly via Je-S (it's not unusual for staffing to change once a grant has been set up). Of course this is part of a much bigger problem. You mustn't blame yourself, but jolly we'll make sure that you look after number one from now on.

BananaSandwichesEveryDay · 02/11/2017 22:22

Sorry, I am not an academic, nowhere near it but is sounds as though your dh is using you to bolster his own career and reputation at the expense of yours. How selfish of him. I might be stupid, but for me, part of loving someone is wanting to see them succeed in their chosen career. Your husband, however, is putting the blocks on tour career so he can steal your success.

opiumeater · 03/11/2017 08:27

OK, right, where am I with this? I'm not sure. Still getting my head around it.

I did terribly at having it out last night. I started out well. I was fiery and icy and I had my ducks in line. I pointed out how much work I'd done on the bid, how the explicit understanding had been that I would get a job on it, and how the entire research agenda outlined therein was mine, not DH's. DH demurred - said he was interested in the same things before he met me. I actually showed him his work from back then, and he was a bit shocked. (This is instance no 1 of post-hoc rationalisation, which will be a theme of this post). He then said that he never really intended to give me the work, but that he didn't think it would be an issue because he didn't think he'd get the grant. That, I think, speaks volumes about how he sees my labour. The reason he cited was that it would be "embarrassing" to speak in front of a project team about a role for his wife, yet clearly it isn't embarrassing for him for that wife to provide the entire framework for the grant in the first place. Angry

Unfortunately, I then fell apart. I started talking about how this whole thing made me feel - worthless, valueless, undermined. And I started crying and couldn't stop, and it turned into a huge fit of snot-laden uncontrollable sobbing. Elegant it wasn't. DH, by this time, was totally stricken, repentent, contrite, and ended up in tears too (very unusual for him, but annoying in that he expected me to comfort him).

He went and got the proposal, and here is where things get interesting and complicated (bear with me, I can't think of a way of abridging this). They've changed the emphasis of my bid quite significantly, to fit the skills of the new team. Mine had 3 RA posts, and 3 phases. Two RAs would be doing qualitative interviewing in phases 2-3, the third was to provide the central theoretical/historical framework of the project in phases 1-2 (this was supposed to be my job). This made sense to me because the skills sets are different: archival/ historical/ hard philosophical-theoretical research is a very different expertise from qualitative interviewing work, and because of my research to date I am uniquely qualified to do that work. The new team have changed the bid to blur these roles into 2 posts, so that both RAs are doing a mixture of both kinds of work. This makes no sense practically because I don't know many early career people who will have the skills in both areas; the archival work is properly archival and someone who hasn't used archives before will be lost. But effectively what it means for me is that I am now far less qualified for these posts than I was for the one in my own bid, because I don't have strong interviewing skills. I'm probably could do the work, but hypotheticals don't tend to work so well on job applications!

However, there is an opportunity in this. The work I was going to do has been deprioritised and squashed into a ridiculously tight time frame. Effectively, this means that this project basically won't really scratch the surface of what I wanted to do, which also means it won't really challenge or change anything. So what I am going to do is to dig out my part of the bid, and rewrite it, and reapply to different funding agencies as a different kind of bid that is much more theoretically focused. And DH is bloody well going to help me with this since it's his fault I'm having to do this additional work, and I am going to be a Co-I or it is a dealbreaker.

Practically, this is a better way forward as it give me the work I am best qualified to do and a project that I think will be more significant than DH's. It does mean exchanging the proverbial bird in the hand for the one buried in the bush, though. But equally, I'm not sure it would be that good for my own mental health to watch my own bid effectively get wrecked by a team who want to take it in a new direction that is less interesting and that doesn't (to my mind) work.

Where am I emotionally? I'm not sure. All over. First, let me say that I realise that I am to blame for this situation. For years I've allowed people to walk all over me and to take labour that I've done without credit. It has become a kind of norm, or expectation, that I will allow myself to be exploited like this and I have a whole host of "friends" who do it. I've gone along with it because I was stupid, because I thought it was "nice", and because I foolishly believed people would see I had skills and would want to write with me properly, in an above-board fashion. In actual fact, though - and here comes the second instance of post-hoc rationalisation - what people do is to forget that I've contributed substantively to their paper, and to take all the credit themselves, putting me firmly back in the shadows, but then asking me to do the same thing with their next paper, and the next, and the next. I personally don't know quite how they live with themselves but I guess it's just really, really easy for them to lie to themselves when their egos and their careers would take a hit if they admitted the truth.

Anyway, here comes a bit of a drip-feed. I should have included this in my first post, but I didn't because it's hard for me to talk about. In the last year, I've been working with a counsellor on a range of issues to do with being violently abused and controlled as a child, and my submissiveness has come up over and over again as a problem. I have the fear when it comes to writing and publishing in my own name, because being my own person was extremely high-risk when I was young, so I repeatedly choose courses where I seek to appease other people in the hope that this will be rewarded. the trouble is, it doesn't bloody work, though, particularly in as exploitative a place as academia. So I need to stop behaving this way, and start stepping out of those safe but miserable shadows and into the light (which, by the way, is a terrifying prospect). But I have only just begun this process, and DH is behind the curve of where I am emotionally, so is still thinking I will just sit back and do everything I used to do. As with everyone else. I've set a boundary here that is new, and it's come as a shock to him.

Of course, that shows him in a pretty bad light I'm not absolving him of blame. If I've allowed myself to be exploited, he's been all to happy to jump in and do some exploiting. Though, like most of the people who do this, he has rationalised the exploitation out of existence after the event because that was much more psychologically comfortable. There is also a genuine element here where he is protecting his own reputation and career from accusations of nepotism, but he has allowed that to become an actual form of discrimination against me personally. I do feel really depressed, undervalued, and undermined by him personally and I don't know how easy it will be to put that right.

I feel like I have a clear practical direction here, but not a clear emotional one. I do love my DH - he is supportive in many, many ways, but I am not just able to overlook this and move on. I do feel like I would do better if I were to move away, at least for part of the week, to a different institution and a different circle of people and I'm going to consider quite seriously whether I need to work towards this in the longer term as a goal. I don't feel like I am prepared or ready to do it yet, because I'm still working with my counsellor to put the most basic boundaries in place, and the thought of being 'out there' on my own is still quite terrifying. I like the idea of a female mentor, however - perhaps this would be a way forward.

At present, the urgent thing is to get through this bout of depression and associated crisis of confidence and come out the other side fighting. I feel like I'm struggling to put one foot in front of the other at present. I'm repeatedly allowing people to come in and walk all over me, and it has to stop.

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