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Are Universities supportive of parents

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fr567 · 31/12/2015 00:15

For lecturers and up, what are your experiences in research and teaching? Have new DD and my experience at work has been rather negative (and very identifying so can’t really go into details). Sorry if this is quite vague, but I’m somewhat down and pissed off. It’d be nice to know if it’s just me having a hard time of it. (For info am male.)

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IssyStark · 02/01/2016 20:57

I agree with geek's first post - it very much depends on your line manger.

I'm an academic librarian, DH is an SL and our experiences have varied based on our line managers. Mine has been very anti-flexible working and anti compressed hours (although they changed they tune when I involved HR).

DH refuses to lecture past 5pm, rightly citing that he has childcare responsibilities (I often have meetings out of the city and refuse to be the default parent to change plans etc for childcare) and he can't collect both kids by 6pm if he only finishes lecturing at 5.45 (timetabling are able to deal with this restriction and really any uni timetabling system should be able to cope with this - if it doesn't get your local UCU involved).

How his stance has gone down has depended on the HoD, some value their families and by extension other people's, some don't. However it hasn't stopped him being given a big admin role (director of programmes) nor his promotion to SL.

He also has far more informal flexibility in his time. For example he takes da2 swimming every Friday morning so doesn't get in until 10am. I just couldn't do that week in week out. To get 'flexible time' I tend to book a half day's leave and only using some of it so have Toil to use flexibility (not that I officially get Toil at my grade).

However I too am surprised at this concept of a 'research day'. The only people I know who have those are the big names we got in who had it as part of their conditions that every Friday they 'worked from home'.

geekaMaxima · 02/01/2016 20:58

But there are many non-financial reasons for academics not taking all available maternity leave.

Absolutely, but it's not about taking all available mat leave, but rather deciding whether to take 4 versus 6 versus 8 months ...which is why I think the data should be drawn together.

For me personally, I could have afforded financially to take more than 6 months mat leave, but research pressures (from myself, mostly) determined that I take no more than those 6 months.

But if my university had offered rubbish statutory-only maternity pay, I might have had to go back even earlier.

IssyStark · 02/01/2016 23:53

Again have to agree with geek

I took 4 months with dc1 as only had statutory as had recently moved institutions and didn't qualify for anything more and really couldn't afford any more time off financially (some uni's do take prior service elsewhere into account, mine didn't). With dc2 I had the full package but chose to go back at 9 months because it was September and the best time to go back. DH would have taken the rest as paternity leave had it not been the Autumn term; at the time he was heavily front loaded with semester 1 teaching, which due to pre-requests etc couldn't be shifted to s2.

IssyStark · 02/01/2016 23:54

Apologies for the grocers' apostrophe in unis (bleeding predictive text)

MultishirkingAgain · 03/01/2016 10:49

BeaufortBelle - I'm not sure how my tone indicates "sneering"? I guess you could ask my VC whether I am sneering, as he personally apologised to me about the missed deadlines. And - not that I really need to justify myself, but I had prepared the documents in consultation with admin staff in person, and then:
emails sent at the start of the application process giving full details of financial details & deadlines,
then two weeks before deadline,
then 1 week before deadline with near-complete documents
then 48 hours before deadline after I submitted via JeS (when actually I had heavy bronchitis, was at a conference and a substantial time difference so I was getting up at 5am to ensure that my work was done in a timely fashion).

Deadlines still missed. Someone should have been disciplined, but they covered up.

I've already said that, reading your posts, you seem knowledgeable about the broad outlines of universities core activities ie teaching & research. But your subsequent posts indicate the same old, same old assumptions about academics. Like the HR assistant who sent long bits of writing we'd asked for in an appointments process with 10 interviewees on the Friday before interviews on the Tuesday. 10 interviewees sent us each 6-7,000 words. We'd timetabled the due date for the shortlisted candidates for 2 weeks before interviews so that we had time to read the materials, but when I asked I was told that it was all confidential & I couldn't be allowed to see the materials. I was on the selection committee and responsible for assessing research.

It's this sort of jobsworth stuff that I object to.

Re maternity pay: It's good to hear that packages have improved. As I say, I was looking at doing it as a lone parent about 15 years ago. For all sorts of reasons - but workload & finance were the real crux - I couldn't do it.

The OP is male - AFAIK, paternity leave is 2 weeks. With my colleagues, we've covered teaching for that time, and my colleagues have done as much by email as possible re seeing students etc. It's easier because it's only a short time, but harder because it's much harder to plan - leave not really taken until the birth, and so on.

But I'm interested in someone saying upthread that their DH as an academic won't teach after 5pm. Who does pick up that teaching if it's necessary? Are all colleagues given that leeway, or are older, younger, childless colleagues expected to do it? I really think that "family friendly" has to apply to everyone not just those with young children. Everyone has the right to a domestic life & a decent work/life balance. Otherwise, you get all sorts of resentments.

I've found it interesting as manager of colleagues on fractional contracts for family reasons - they are much more aware naturally, of how many hours they do over the specified ones in their contracts. We all do, but dropping back to part-time so you have time with your children throws it into high relief.

And can I just say - there's a tendency in this thread to lambast those who don't appear to value their family/home life? I find these conversations interesting but difficult as a single childless woman - I feel like I'm being put in the same basket as the married man with the wife who deals with all the family stuff and is negative about colleagues who want a better work/life balance. We're not all the same, and some of us make huge sacrifices in different (often invisible to the rest of the world) ways.

IssyStark · 03/01/2016 11:33

multi our uni teaching day runs from 8am until 7pm with teaching on Wednesday afternoons as well (this is due to previous VC pushing to increase numbers before we actually had the lecture space to accommodate the extra students).

As I librarian I also teach and have been timetabled for 5-6 sessions but as these are one offs (usually when I'm teaching the same thing to a whole cohort in repeated sessions and am being fitted in around other teaching). However I would be less keen if it was a regular thing.

For DH as he is a lecturer, timetabling ask for restrictions, these can be due to childcare, to clinics staff run (we have various health sciences and medicine), to p/t or split posts etc etc. For the most part Timetabling are able to cope with this, although one year he did have one 5-6 lecture in one semester as most of the cohort were p/t and it was only slot that was possible unless they all gave up their lunch hours. DH has never had to get others to cover his teaching and has, for most of his teaching career, been overloaded according to his dept teaching allocation formula.

I'm also sorry that you had such a shitty process with your grant application. Similar things have happened at my uni because humans are involved and our admin systems are not up to par due to underinvestment in both staff and technology. However I can understand the reaction that it is all the academics fault - too often I've received RDM plans for grant applications with less than a day until the deadline and had to turn them around, dropping everything that I possibly can and this is not uncommon. It's bound to happen when academic staff are pulled in so many directions.

Booboostwo · 03/01/2016 13:05

Where I've taught we've had at least one if not two days a week of evening activities like research seminars, visiting speaker's programme, book club, etc followed by dinner for guest speakers.

IssyStark · 03/01/2016 19:55

boo seems to very much vary by faculty at our place. Humanities and some of social science have lots of evening seminars but the science and engineering faculties have very few and visiting speakers, apart from the high profile public lectures (one per year for most STEM subjects) take place during office hours.

IssyStark · 03/01/2016 20:08

And of course DH still has to do evening activities such as entertaining PhD/external examiners/visitors but it it isn't a regular timetabled thing and he usually is able to bring the kids home, drop stuff off before going back out again (but then we're lucky to live a mile from uni).

And he has his own work commitments which take him away over night (conferences, project meetings, PhD vivas and external examiner for another uni), as do I. It does require planning and our line managers never expect instant answers until we've checked with each other that childcare is covered. So far it hasn't been a problem apart from this year's open days when he was in the US. Inset days cause more problems and we often have to box and cox between us, something which causes me far more problems with my management than him with his, even 'though it means they get more time out of both of us than if we didn't do it that way.

Booboostwo · 03/01/2016 20:51

Yes if course i hadn't thought of that! I used to teach before the DCs when it was easier to get away and have been SAHP since they arrived, but there are a lot more antisocial commitments. I used to attend at least two conferences a year, lasting a few days each, plus visits to examine PhDs or act as course examiner, or have meetings for funding opportunities with colleagues in other institutions.

My last job was atypical for my subject but we did a lot of consultancy type training so we used to have to be away for 3-4 days all over the place, from the Shetlands, to Ireland and even Dubai on one ocassion. Not usual for an academic but it can happen.

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