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NeverEverAnythingEver · 05/09/2015 09:06

We have our new board! Calling all cademics/aspiring academics/fed-up academics - come and chat!

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CityDweller · 06/10/2015 17:03

I think it's so institution-dependent, and subject-dependent re. promotion. Last year I was turned down for promotion from L to SL because I didn't have any funding and I hadn't published a journal article in the last year. I had, however, published a fucking monograph (I'm in the humanities, so that's the 'big deal') and have in all other ways a very shiny and active CV. My institution changed the promotion requirements a few years ago - made them very opaque especially around things like grants/ funding. But even my HoD said that I would likely have been promoted at another institution.

Really frustrating.

Can you talk to HR? I found a conversation with them after my promotion application was turned down was quite helpful...

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 06/10/2015 22:38

I'm not thinking about Readership at all until I have a grant...

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namechangeforissue · 07/10/2015 14:31

Depressingly most people get promoted when they move institutions, and faster than you are saying, and most internal promotions do take as long or nearly as long as you mention.

MultiShirker I just hate that my students are expected to have hobbies and extracurricular activities and families and friends... but I'm not.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 07/10/2015 20:19

It's only the second week of lecturing and I am exhausted. :(

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NK5BM3 · 07/10/2015 21:15

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NeverEverAnythingEver · 07/10/2015 21:39

Ha! My "friend" every year expresses surprise that I haven't got the fucking summer off.

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NK5BM3 · 07/10/2015 21:47

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Impostersyndrome · 07/10/2015 21:47

I had this from my daft departmental administrator yesterday, who actually knows we run a year-long course AND that I manage three RAs who work full time in the lab.

MultiShirker · 08/10/2015 08:10

A teacher (I think) has just trolled me on another thread saying that as a university employee I have 12 weeks holiday and can turn up to school to collect my kids at 3pm

I once had an arsey teacher at a party challenge me, saying I couldn't really call myself a teacher, could I, because I only taught a few hours a week.

I asked him how he could call himself a teacher when he didn't really do any research, did he?

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namechangeforissue · 08/10/2015 09:25

I'm here avoiding opening my email, having sent a couple of "not only did you ask for this pointless and mad thing to happen but you didn't reply to my email 2 weeks ago asking why you wanted this pointless and mad thing to happen" ccd to HoD, just before I left yesterday.

Oh look, a ResearchGate notification. Where's the link for NEVER SEND ME ANY MORE EMAILS.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 08/10/2015 12:46

Actually, I don't call myself a teacher.

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MultiShirker · 08/10/2015 13:11

Well, yes, Never - I wasn't challenging him or claiming anything - he was arsey and the mutual friend whose party it was (I had only just met this person) introduced me as someone she'd done her PhD with (she'd gone into school teaching). So the challenge came out of the blue, not from anything I'd said.

He was ready to be arsey & seemed threatened by me, I think. Although I do enjoy teaching. Most of the time.

NeverEverAnythingEver · 08/10/2015 13:17

I've got a nice batch of students this time. I don't know if they realise how much difference they make in a lecture.

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murmuration · 08/10/2015 14:02

Wow, been teaching non-stop all week! Had an overdue meeting with the fellow they finally hired to help out with first year - let him know how good a job I think he's doing, and made sure he knew about a few things coming up. This was going to be my make-it-or-break-it year, and it looks like they've finally stepped up and given me appropriate support. So I'll probably keep running first year.

We actually once got an email from the admin welcoming us "back" after the summer. It created a bit of a stir, as where the heck did they think we were??? Here, churning out that research that they keep bugging us about.

My mother also keeps having the misconception that I'm 'not working' when classes finish, even when she knows I do research, and even when the working I'm doing is actually marking exams!

Thought a bit more about the promotion thing, and I think I will probably go for it as soon as I get a grant. It appears to be money that talks louder than words here, as I got SL on the basis of 4 grants (2 PI) and 11 papers - if another grant and 17 more papers doesn't get me Reader, another grant and 18-19 more papers won't, unless they're all in the People's Journal of Judea (or maybe one in just Judea :) ). And there's nothing to lose, as I can apply again 2 cycles later, which would basically be as long as I'd have to wait for a paper or two anyway.

Don't really want to go elsewhere, as I like it here! We have promoted some internals fast, but it seems people are more interested in what you've done recently, so you need be quickly productive, which things like mat leave really impact.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 08/10/2015 15:56

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CityDweller · 08/10/2015 18:10

I have a publishing quandary of my own...

I sent in a book proposal to a publisher ages ago (April). This was after a face-to-face at a conference. Editor seemed very keen. Followed up with emails, etc, she said she was waiting for reader reports but that she had all her paperwork ready to go as she was assuming the reports would be positive. All sounding great and like it was pretty much a done deal. That was the end of June! I've emailed her about 5 times in the last six weeks to follow up and left a message on her voicemail earlier this week and she's not getting back to me. WTF? Surely if she's changed her mind (e.g. the reports were terrible - although that seems unlikely) she'd just let me know rather than ignoring my emails? In the past she's sometimes taken a week or so to respond to emails, but never as long as this.

Thing is, while I know I can find a home for the book elsewhere, I really want to go with this publisher as the book fits their list perfectly.

Any tips? Other than stalking the editor to her office, I have no idea how to get through to her...

NeverEverAnythingEver · 08/10/2015 19:50

I don't know about a book but we have a book chapter that was submitted in January and it's only in production now. Or is that quite quick? Hmm

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CityDweller · 08/10/2015 20:16

That's quite quick never! Or, at least, not particularly slow!

Anononooo · 09/10/2015 13:26

City Dweller, I bet the readers reports are late coming in what with summer and then start of term. I was waiting for a positive sign from publisher for months and it eventually came through.

murmuration · 12/10/2015 15:23

Anybody else get 'workloads' done? We just got ours, and I'm way down at the bottom :( Really depressing as I feel like I'm working at my max or a bit above. Doesn't make for much motivation, as I can't even see how I could do significantly more.

murmuration · 12/10/2015 15:44

And this came in while I was working on a paper review. That sort of thing totally doesn't get counted in the workload, so makes me wonder why I even bother. (Although I've agreed to do it, so now I need to finish!)

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murmuration · 12/10/2015 20:37

And the thing that gets me is last year I was right at the top! The only differences are that my PhD student graduated and I stepped down from a chairship of a committee (but I'm still on the committee). I also took on two major external service committments, which are meant to count. And, in fact, take more time than my PhD student (to be fair, he was almost done and his thesis needed very little editing, so he wasn't a lot of work; other PhD students might have been) plus the increment of being chair vs being on the committee. It's not very transparent here, as I have no idea how they actually get the numbers they rank us on.

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