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Colleen Rooney, due in October, plans CS in September to fit in with football season

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StealthPolarBear · 16/04/2009 17:17

What do people think? I have no problem with people planing CSs, but this (assuming she's planning it for 2 or 3 weeks in advance of her due date) seems a bit of a superficial reason. I know babies are OK to come at 37 weeks if they're ready but surely this way there's a high risk of delivering a 'not ready' baby. Aren't CSs usually scheduled for about 39weeks? What do people think about this?

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Haribosmummy · 20/04/2009 22:41

I appreciate your point, Cazzaben... It's not something I'd heard of before and it's not a side effect I'd heard of...

For me, though... yes, my CS was a dream and I've already booked myself in for another one (back to the portland for me, so no questions asked! ) for this baby (due July / August)... but this baby will be my last.

This will be No. 4 for DH and he thinks that's enough for anyone to be getting on with!!

But, in all seriousness... No, I hadn't heard about the condition you mentioned and if I were told that this baby wasn't viable because of that, my outlook would change in a heartbeat.

Cazzaben · 20/04/2009 23:35

Thank you Haribos

Looks like your going to have your hands full with 4 then.

I wish you every happiness and most of all I wish you the best of luck with your up and coming birth!!!

Fimbo · 20/04/2009 23:49

I have had 2 sections (medical reasons), the first was fine not pleasant but ok, the second was horrific and I ended up with a spinal headache and had to have the blood patch done twice. The pain was unbearable (more so than the section wound), I threw up constantly and couldn't even keep water down.

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CoteDAzur · 21/04/2009 16:38

Cazzaben - How can you be sure that lack of support was the reason your baby was in distress? That may very well have caused you some stress, but afaik "fetal distress" is caused by physical problems like umbilical cord prolapse, cord around baby's neck, etc. Not "mummy's not feeling supported".

Cazzaben · 21/04/2009 16:50

my son had Tachycardia (type of feotal distress... which by the way is a VERY general term) which is caused by the mother being ill... I was ill through stress and anxiety.
I have spoken to my consultant after the birth of my son and I DO KNOW what im talking about. I also had an appointment with a midwife to talk about what happened in my birth (its called a birth reflection)

Like I said before. If I had received the help and support I needed then I wouldn't have been so ill during labour and my son would have become so distressed.

Does that answer all of your questions Cote?? Or do you have more???

Cazzaben · 21/04/2009 16:53

wouldn't have become so distressed....

Should I say...

MuffinBaker · 21/04/2009 16:54

Cote Have you decided whether to have a section or not?

CoteDAzur · 21/04/2009 18:01

Calm down. Gee, it doesn't take much to distress you

CoteDAzur · 21/04/2009 18:26

MuffinBaker - Thank you for asking. It now looks like baby will be over 4.3 kgs at 40 weeks. Unless he decides to come several weeks early (and more reasonably sized), it looks like I'm having an elCS at the end of May (a day shy of 40 weeks), especially since my doctor says he will be "obliged to" do another episiotomy if I birth vaginally another baby over 4 kgs.

fifitot · 21/04/2009 20:10

Just wondering why some women really fear and don't want episiotomies but would accept a CS?

One is major operation, one is a slice through thin skin. Not the best experience of my life but it healed quicker than a cs scar would have done.

jenwa · 21/04/2009 20:26

She said she wanted it so Wayne was not away playing so it would be easier before all that! Stupid! Should have thought about it first then! Poor baby! I know its nice to have DH at birth ..maybe...but surely to cant be allowed to change dates for that Used to like her but gone off her for that reason now!

jenwa · 21/04/2009 20:28

I suppose if they are famous they may get a tummy tuck at the same time I know Posh spice wanted c-sect early to avoid further stretching of the skin well it may not be true but would not put it past her!

MuffinBaker · 21/04/2009 20:38

I hope it goes well, Cote.

My baby as playing us all up with his size all the way through and even 3 hours before he was born they were wrong.

Have had one emergency section and 2VABCS.

All that matters is that my babies made it.

CoteDAzur · 21/04/2009 21:04

fifitot - I don't know what you had, but this is an episiotomy. It cuts through not only skin but also muscle, and quite probably, nerve.

Let me try to explain why I would prefer elCS to episiotomy:

After DD's birth, I was in excruciating pain for weeks. Not only unable to sit, but unable to walk nor really wear anything. The paracetamol did absolutely nothing. My only memories of DD's early days and weeks is crying in pain - under the shower, on the toilet, in bed. Breastfeeding standing up while crying. The first time I changed her diaper was when she was three weeks old

The suppository painkiller I was prescribed caused anal fissures, which took two years to heal. Imagine passing broken glass every time you need to go.

Months after episiotomy healed, the area was still painful to the touch. Read: sex impossible. The nerve MW managed to cut got mangled in the scar tissue, apparently. Doctor's solution was "Let's inject something there to kill that nerve". Needless to say, I refused that offer, tempting as it was to feel nothing around my vagina for the rest of my life I eventually found a scar cream that healed the area & stopped the pain.

How does the elCS experience compare to this horror show? Very favourably indeed.

Cazzaben · 21/04/2009 22:36

I understand that you have had a terrible time Cote. I sympathise with you completely.

I'm only saying my opinion when I say that Its not easier to have a section. There are problems I still have with my scar (pain, numbness and infection) but I'm not going into huge details about that.
I was also in hospital (as I keep saying) for 3 months with my 2nd pregnancy. This was due to Major Placenta Preavia. I know I'm not the only person who has ever had this. I also know that you aren't the only person in the world to have had an episiotomy and had problems after also. I have also stated further up in the thread about scars. My (then) 2 year old son had nightmares after watching me bleed. It was like a tap running out of me. He will have scars as I do too both physical and emotional scars. I know lots and lots of women have terrible experiences as I keep saying, Mine was a horror show also... It was the worst thing I have ever experienced in my life!!!!!! I cannot have anymore babies because of this...........

My main point here is that women are NOT given all the facts when it comes to having a section that's all... Consider all the facts. I'm not going to tell you what you can or can't do its up to you.

Have you ever heard of an anterior placed Major Placenta Preavia or Placenta Accreta? If you look up these things and causes then you will see that c-sections are a cause of these.

Haribosmummy · 22/04/2009 08:26

But, surely, if this thread proves anything it is simply that we each have our own experiences / opinions and what is right for one woman is very wrong for another.

I would never advocate an El CS to another woman. I can only say that it was right for me in my circumstances. I get drawn into these threads because I feel that it must be a woman's right to choose the birth she feels is best for her - Of course, that goes without saying that you don't have the baby early for cosmetic reasons, but I honestly don't believe that happens the way it gets bandied about.

Both Cote and Cazzaben have extremely valid reasons for their points of view, and IMHO, they are not mutually exclusive as they concern different people with different circumstances. They are both very relevant to this discussion.

LibrasJusticeLeagueofBiscuits · 22/04/2009 09:58

Haribosmummy the problem is Cazzaben doesn't believe you should have the choice and yet she wants to train as a midwife.

CoteDAzur · 22/04/2009 12:22

Cazzaben - I agree with you that women should be given all relevant information. Where we differ seems to be that I believe they should then have the right to choose how they want to birth their babies, and you don't.

It was no mystery that DD was going to be a 4 kg baby. When I developed pre-eclampsia at 39 weeks, nobody told me that the combination of big baby & induction meant a significant chance of a large tear, and a near-certainty that a large episiotomy was going to be performed.

I should have been given these facts and then the choice of an induction or a C-section. But noooo, hospital knows best and they have targets re CS, so I was just told to lie there and take the oxytocin up the arm.

CoteDAzur · 22/04/2009 12:25

Btw, I know what Placenta Previa etc is but none of it is relevant to me because I am 38 and this baby due in 5 weeks will be our last.

Haribosmummy · 22/04/2009 13:29

Well, Cote - I hope your birth goes well. I'm 37, and my baby (due August) will also be my last.

I strongly feel that a woman should be able to choose the birth they feel is right for them and, regardless of what anyone else's opinions are, I would prefer a large cut on my tummy than my nether regions!!! Again, this is my opinion, but I do feel my opinion ought to be respected when it comes to my baby.

Mumsfruitandnut · 22/04/2009 13:57

I had an emergency section with ds because my placenta had ruptured. He survived by the skin of his teeth, and so did I.

My dd was born by elective section a little earlier than they would normally do it - because I had a high chance of another rupture, and I would have spent every waking moment of the last two weeks worrying.

Cazzaben · 22/04/2009 16:23

Libras as I have stated... I do firmly believe that EVERY woman should have the choice to how their births go. I have never said that women shouldn't be allowed to choose. My point is (again) that a normal healthy pregnancy and a first baby (like colleen's as the thread stated) shouldn't be allowed to choose to have a section unless there is a medical need for it. I'm sure you will find that any midwife you speak to will advocate the same thing.

I cannot understand why any woman would choose to have a section for a first birth. It doesn't make sense.
In Cote's case... She had a terrible time with her first and is terrified that it will happen again. So she is having a section. Which is great that she has put her foot down and been able to get a birth that she wanted.

Midwives don't have a set way of how their told to think Libras. Just like everyone (consultants, politicians, GP's, Childminders etc...) No 2 people think the same. There are thousands of midwives who disagree on different things. So please don't tell people what I believe...

Haribosmummy · 22/04/2009 16:35

But, Cazzaben.. Why does it not make sense to choose an El CS for your firth birth?

I did, and I stand by that decision.

Why should a woman be FORCED to have a natural delivery? Being forced to have one would have led to a huge amount of stress for me, why should I have to go through that?

LibrasJusticeLeagueofBiscuits · 22/04/2009 17:28

"My point is (again) that a normal healthy pregnancy and a first baby (like colleen's as the thread stated) shouldn't be allowed to choose to have a section unless there is a medical need for it."

THERE RIGHT THERE HERE I WILL COPY IT AGAIN

"shouldn't be allowed to choose to have a section unless there is a medical need for it."

Now do you see where you say women shouldn't be allowed the choice?

Would you like me to bold it for you?

Cazzaben · 22/04/2009 17:37

ok ok...

we are going to rund in circles here...

each to their own ok???