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why are people so against judging criminals, fraudsters and chronic scroungers?

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YourWaryPlumBalonz · 18/10/2026 19:03

There's someone at my church who is well known for avoiding work whenever possible and was actually convicted of fraud. Yet whenever anyone expresses a negative opinion about her, we're told not to judge.
I understand that nobody is perfect and that people can make mistakes. I also appreciate that people can have difficult backgrounds, health problems or circumstances that contribute to bad decisions.
However, at what point is judgement simply a reasonable response to someone's actions? If someone repeatedly lies, cheats, commits fraud or lives off others while expecting sympathy, why is it wrong to think less of them because of that behaviour?
To me, there seems to be a difference between judging a person's worth as a human being and judging their actions and character. If someone's behaviour consistently harms other people, shouldn't we be able to say that's unacceptable without being told we're being unkind?

OP posts:
GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 08:02

2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV)

also

2 Tim 4:1-2 "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction."

As Christians we are not meant to leave other Christians to their wrongdoing without offering correction and drawing their attention to the scriptures as to how to behave. Thus a church member who has committed fraud (not years ago but in the recent past) needs to be pulled up on this, also their poor attitude to work. This shouldn't be done in a mean or a holier-than-thou way, nor to shame them in front of the congregation, but on a one-to-one basis.

JanuaryLove · 19/10/2026 08:05

It's not my responsibility to judge anyone else. That doesn't mean I don't have opinions it means i don't express them outwardly and I don't engage in gossip about them

JulietteRoche · 19/10/2026 08:13

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 18/10/2026 19:04

Interesting that you mention your church.

Doesn't your religion teach you not to judge others?

Agreed, which is why I could never be a Christian or follower of any other religion. Of course we should judge people! That said, a lot of Christians do not follow their own advice.

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 08:34

GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 08:02

2 Timothy 3:16-17 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV)

also

2 Tim 4:1-2 "In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction."

As Christians we are not meant to leave other Christians to their wrongdoing without offering correction and drawing their attention to the scriptures as to how to behave. Thus a church member who has committed fraud (not years ago but in the recent past) needs to be pulled up on this, also their poor attitude to work. This shouldn't be done in a mean or a holier-than-thou way, nor to shame them in front of the congregation, but on a one-to-one basis.

As you are talking Timothy, let's not forget -

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (KSV)

GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 09:14

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 08:34

As you are talking Timothy, let's not forget -

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (KSV)

Irrelevant to this discussion.

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 09:24

GentleSheep · 19/10/2026 09:14

Irrelevant to this discussion.

No it's not.

If OP is a woman and she is judging men, then that is also against the Bible if she is a Christian Church goer. Taking authority over a man. It's right there in the book.

YourWaryPlumBalonz · 19/10/2026 11:04

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 09:24

No it's not.

If OP is a woman and she is judging men, then that is also against the Bible if she is a Christian Church goer. Taking authority over a man. It's right there in the book.

BIBLE also tells u not to eat shellfish....

OP posts:
SerendipityJane · 19/10/2026 11:05

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 04:23

Ahh yes, but you are quoting the Old Testament there. Christians are supposed to follow the new covenant and all that.

As an atheist, this is something I find interesting. How like the OP appears to do, Christians use the OT and NT and intermix them to get to some sort of position that suits them.

Truly it is the most accommodating of religions

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 11:09

YourWaryPlumBalonz · 19/10/2026 11:04

BIBLE also tells u not to eat shellfish....

Yup. But that's Old Testament, so that can be ignored apparently. But some of the other OT stuff they choose not to ignore. It confuses me.

Dollymylove · 19/10/2026 11:11

Problem is nowadays it seems nobody is to blame for their own bad behaviour.
Youth holds a knife to your grannys throat while wrenching the rings off her fingers?
Nah not his fault, he didnt really think it through.He needed the money for his fix. Instead of YOP we'll give him a community order. 5 community orders later and he might get a bit of bird. But dont hold ya breath
I'll get my coat ...

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 11:12

SerendipityJane · 19/10/2026 11:05

Truly it is the most accommodating of religions

It is for the cheesemakers.

ThePM · 19/10/2026 11:12

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 18/10/2026 19:25

What a typical response from you!

OP it’s because we are in a dystopian nightmare where working hard, wanting to reap the fruits of your labour, abiding by the law and not being a piece of shit is now called ‘NIMBYism’.

Whereas being fraudulent, criminal, feckless or irresponsible is worthy of protection and infantilisation.

What a load of nonsense.

You can avoid enabling or engaging with feckless etc. whilst also acknowledging that maybe there’s a plank in your own eye morally. That is the balance, the space for moral compassion, but legal rectitude.

JaneJeffer · 19/10/2026 11:15

ThatRedFish · 18/10/2026 19:22

She’ll have dirt on them, or they helped/ encouraged with the fraud….

😆

Livpool · 19/10/2026 11:55

You sound like a lovely Christian OP - Jesus would be proud. /s

lljkk · 19/10/2026 19:28

RedTagAlan · 19/10/2026 11:09

Yup. But that's Old Testament, so that can be ignored apparently. But some of the other OT stuff they choose not to ignore. It confuses me.

Everyone picks and chooses which rules in their holy texts that they choose to follow or not. Every single religion does this.

likelysuspect · 19/10/2026 19:38

ExtraHotDoubleShot · 18/10/2026 19:25

What a typical response from you!

OP it’s because we are in a dystopian nightmare where working hard, wanting to reap the fruits of your labour, abiding by the law and not being a piece of shit is now called ‘NIMBYism’.

Whereas being fraudulent, criminal, feckless or irresponsible is worthy of protection and infantilisation.

This.

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