Would you vote to Rejoin the EU if there was another referendum? - Part 2

[EEexpat]

Advantages and disadvantages?

The problem in almost 80% of sitting MPs voted remain therefore how could they be trusted to implement something they vehemently disagree with, it just won’t happen. As a result people think it hasn’t worked but it hasn’t been given a chance by people who believed in it and would take it by the scruff of the neck.

Even the speaker of the house blocked motions which was unprecedented because he was a remainer.

Let’s say we went back in, what measures determine success or failure of that because it wouldn’t be the same as before and in that instance do we go for a third referendum?

Time to move forward and leave the EU behind. There are 7.5 billion other people to work with.

This is just an excuse that gets wheeled out by the Brexiteers to explain why Brexit has been such a disaster. They aren't willing to acknowledge that they made a poor decision so they prefer to pretend that it was all due to the Remainers failing to implement it properly.

Unfortunately for them, that argument simply doesn't stack up. The Brexit deal - remember that wonderful oven-ready deal?! - was negotiated by Boris Johnson and David Frost. Johnson was one of the chief advocates for Brexit and he was able to get his deal through parliament without amendments.

It was not the fault of the Remainers that the Brexiteers had failed to think things through, and that they had no idea to make Brexit work. You cannot pin the abject failure of the Brexit on the Remainers. No. Those who voted for it must bear 100% of the responsibility for its failure.

@StarlightLady

Why didn't you use the Travel to Europe App for your visit to Lisbon? It allows non-EU passport holders to upload their biometric data before travelling.

Travel to Europe mobile app - EES

For some reason only two EU members use the App, Portugal and Sweden. Considering 10% of EU GDP comes from tourism, I would have thought Brussels would have directed all members to use the App.

So, your 2 hours wait at Lisbon was bad planning on your part. Nothing to do with UK leaving the EU. For your visit to Brussels, it's bad planning by the EU.

Look at the chaos caused by the EES system earlier this year. Greece switched it off due to queues. Take a look at:

Nine EU countries can pause EES checks for the rest of 2026 — here's why | Metro News

It records, with emphasis in bold underline added

Airlines, airports and border authorities repeatedly warned Brussels that the rollout was not ready, that it would increase processing times and that it would create excessive queues for passengers. Those warnings were ignored, with EU citizens the ones delayed and disrupted.

So, the EU passport holders were the ones delayed. Hilarious.

Failed in your opinion, again it hasn’t been given a chance and you give no examples of failure other than what you think.

without brexit our tariff with US would’ve been doubled, we wouldn’t have rolled the vaccine out at record pace as we would have had to match the pace of the EU as two examples.

I am not saying it is perfect because it isn’t but I tell you, give me a year negotiating it unrestricted and you would soon change your tune because I would make it a success and that is the difference between someone who wants it to work versus people who don’t.

also, are we having a third vote if we do go back in and it’s proven they are a sinking ship within a few years or not? There will be massive unrest if 17.4 million people are ignored by one man, one incompetent man I will add.

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

I agree with the points made by

@DanNW2025

Look at the timeline:

2016 - PM David Cameron - voted remain
- PM Theresa May - voted remain
2019 - PM Boris Johnson - headed Vote Leave to get one over Cameron
2022 - PM Liz Truss - voted remain
2022 - PM Rishi Sunak - not sure how he voted
2024 - PM Kier Starmer - voted remain
2026 - PM Andy Burnham - voted remain

So, for as long as UK has a remain voting PM, Brexit will never be at the top of their list of priorities.

The Leave or Remain option was offered by Cameron. So, he had the duty to have a plan if the vote was leave. He didn't because he was confident (arrogant) that voters would not dare to have an opinion that was different to someone who had been to both Eton and Oxford.

If Brexit has been a disaster, you need to explain the following measured, as opposed to estimated, facts:

Since Brexit, UK has grown faster than, France, Germany and Italy.

UK has lower immigration than, Germany, France, Spain and Italy.

UK has lower tariffs on exports to the US (World's largest economy) than the EU

UK reduced tariffs on 100 supermarket items to help with the cost of living. This could not have been done if still a member of the EU.

Lol. How would you make it a success?

What would you negotiate?

What are the top priorities that you would aim to secure for the UK, and what exactly would you be willing to give up or compromise on in order to secure those priorities?

And how exactly would the priorities that you would secure make Brexit a success? What would be the difference that we would all feel?

You're clearly very confident in your abilities so you obviously have a carefully thought out plan and not just an "I ❤️ Brexit" badge. So share your detailed proposals here with us. Looking forward to reading them!

It wasn’t my bad planning the system was down and we were all in the same queue.

@DanNW2025

Cameron should have had a leave plan as he is the one who offered the referendum. He resigned so that he could not be tasked with the implementation of vote.

Theresa May was worse. She attempted to prevent MPs seeing the legal advice on her deal made with the EU. Thankfully MPs forced her to reveal it by court action. Had her deal been agreed, UK would have been locked into the EU without a say and ongoing costs potentially forever.

If I was PM at the time the 498 MPs voted to leave, I would have appointed a team to implement Brexit. The team would have consisted of the main advocates of leave:

Johnson
Gove
Farage
Rees-Mogg

ie those that wanted Brexit as opposed to those who didn't.

@StarlightLady

the system was down and we were all in the same queue

A fact which you omitted from your earlier post.

Just to point out that the ONS figures exclude self-employed wages - they look at PAYE. This makes comparisons difficult in construction, trades, haulage etc.

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@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

What would be the difference that we would all feel?

I will comment on that after the poster @DanNW2025 answers.

He didn't because he was confident (arrogant) that voters would not dare to have an opinion that was different to someone who had been to both Eton and Oxford.

I don’t agree that it was because he went to Eton and Oxford that he thought the populace would follow his recommendations to remain. I think he believed that voters would agree that UK was better in.
Politicians are disagreed with by voters the whole time - they don’t believe that their constituents wouldn’t dare to disagree with them.

You're clutching at straws. The Brexit deal was implemented by Brexiteers under Boris. Why is that deal not delivering the benefits that were expected?

Sunak was a Brexiteer. Why didn't he leverage all of the supposed advantages of Brexit?

Where are all the fabulous trade deals that we were going to negotiate?

If you want to deny the economic damage done by Brexit, feel free. We know that you Brexiteers never did like experts, so why listen to them now?

Most of us don't even need to listen to the experts because it's mindblowingly obvious that it has done far more harm than good.

But I get it. You don't want to admit that you made a mistake.

Why not share your plan for making the most of Brexit too? We can compare and contrast, and see who has the best strategy. Perhaps No.10 will be reading to get some tips.

If they had said we will return unemployed EU citizens after X months, which they were already allowed to do

It's not very easy to return EU citizens if they don't wish to leave;

Economically inactive EU citizens
Can you be requested to leave or be deported?

In exceptional cases, your host country can deport you on grounds of public policy or public security - but only if it can prove you represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-rights/inactive-citizens/index_en.htm

In 2017, EU law prevented the UK government from returning economically inactive rough sleepers;

The government argued that rough sleepers were not contributing economically to the UK, and that by rough sleeping they were deliberately trying to circumvent the EU rules on residence. But the judge, Mrs Justice Lang, was crystal clear in her reasoning, that the rules of free movement are not all about economics. She declared:

“The right of an individual EU citizen to reside in another Member State is not solely for the economic and social benefit of the Member State; it is an individual right of citizenship which may be exercised even where there is no discernible economic or social benefit to the Member State from the presence of the particular individual.”

https://www.5sah.co.uk/knowledge-hub/articles/2017-12-18/if-theresa-may-wants-eu-nationals-to-stay-she-should-know-better-than-to-deport-rough-sleepers

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack

The Brexit deal was implemented by Brexiteers under Boris. Why is that deal not delivering the benefits that were expected?

For the services sector, which is over both 80% of UK employment and GDP, the TCA is working as demonstrated by the growth in that sector since 2019.

Sunak was a Brexiteer. Why didn't he leverage all of the supposed advantages of Brexit?

Too busy making questionable deals regards COVID. Also, his wife is a billionaire. So, Brexit being successful or unsuccessful will not change his life at all.

Where are all the fabulous trade deals that we were going to negotiate?

UK deal with US is better than the EU deal

If you want to deny the economic damage done by Brexit, feel free. We know that you Brexiteers never did like experts, so why listen to them now?

If leaving the EU has damaged the UK, how do you explain the fact that UK is doing better than countries such as, France, Germany and Italy who are in the EU?

Regards experts, they were no where near with their predictions in 2016. So, how can they be trusted now?

because it's mindblowingly obvious that it has done far more harm than good.

Same reply as before;

If leaving the EU has damaged the UK, how do you explain the fact that UK is doing better than countries such as, France, Germany and Italy who are in the EU?

OP, what did you want to achieve by starting this thread? You challenge almost every Remain based response. Yet things have got worse

@StarlightLady Do you think only remainers should be allowed to discuss Brexit?

Yes how are we seeing what we are from various EU countries if it’s that bad to have left?

The ‘it’s a disaster’ posts seem to be missing the current situation in those countries.

Yes, I certainly would.

What is good about the UK deal with US? I'm not sure that food filled random chemicals, low welfare meat, tariffs and horrific postage costs when importing anything from there is better than what we had from the EU.

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Any deals with the current hardly united USA can at the best be described as potentially erratic.

And for those who can read a map, you will notice that mainland Europe is much nearer and therefore a more practical trading partner than the Russian loving USA.

@EEexpat
What are you wanting from this?

Brexit has been a shit show. It was always going to be a shit show because there was no plan. The leave campaign was just a load of word salad based on feelings around immigration and completely forgetting about free trade, logiistics, free movement of labour for UK citizens etc. You seem to live in this alternate reality where everything the Leave campaign was right when actually people went to prison due to their campaign.

Here is the latest YouGov data. It's pretty clear that most people want to rejoin the EU.
How strong is UK support for rejoining the European Union? https://share.google/cVO7BTCoy8tldpF4X

I don’t think it’s a slam dunk as some posts seem to suggest. Support falls a fair bit without opt outs. And wrangling re-join is a lot more onerous than a survey.

Plus the reality of various EU countries could be filtering through by now with recent events.

The Remain campaign did a very bad job of explaining why we should stay in and this was exploited.

Poland is still in the EU and they are much harsher on immigration than any other country. If previous Governments of every political colour had dealt with immigration issues previously we would not be in this mess. I am the DD of an immigrant.