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When does the "Cost of living crisis end"

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topcat2014 · 16/10/2026 08:21

There will always be inflation. The media created this thing called a cost of living crisis.

Recessions have a technical definition, so therefore a technical end.

What is going to be the trigger for society agreeing the cost of living crisis is over?

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RosaNovella · 17/10/2026 16:24

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 12:39

We are currently seeing more and more people relying on benefits in the UK

How many times we are an older & sicker population.

55% of the benefit spend is on pensioners which you seem to want to ignore.

The amount of people contributing is falling with the burden firmly on people who are employed

Again 1 in 5 of us are over 65 & we have more over 60 yr olds than under 15 yr olds.

A lot of the economically inactive are ill & a lot fall into the 50 plus category.

The 2008 crash has been influential and The Tories made it worse by kicking the can down the road, lending rules also loosened and we had a period of low interests rates which led to a huge upturn in borrowing and entitlement

Well todays under 25s weren’t able to take advantage of those low interest rates so who are the entitled? Plenty of people have made a fortune simply because they were on the ladder at the right time.

Pensioners have worked, provided services and contributed for 40 plus years
By the time I retire I will have been a working adult for 49 years
You keep saying how many times but then fail to really make a clear point

What has this got to do with a society failing to get people of working age, working ?
Pensioners and the elderly are not going away
We all age

As regards the 2008 crash , the events following contributed to the financial mess many are in now
People went mad buying houses and cars they couldnt really afford, H2B contributed to this and houses prices were bonkers
Cheap credit and social media meant people felt entitled to a standard of living never seen before
They felt entitled to it even though it wasnt real, it was cheap credit
The bubble has burst

SerendipityJane · 17/10/2026 17:03

We NEED to start making things again, using our natural resources again, etc.

Obviously the non dim bit that got left off is :

"That the rest of the world needs"

So let's put that together :

We NEED to start making things again, using our natural resources again that the rest of the world needs"

Back to you. Any ideas ?

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 17:15

RosaNovella · 17/10/2026 16:24

Pensioners have worked, provided services and contributed for 40 plus years
By the time I retire I will have been a working adult for 49 years
You keep saying how many times but then fail to really make a clear point

What has this got to do with a society failing to get people of working age, working ?
Pensioners and the elderly are not going away
We all age

As regards the 2008 crash , the events following contributed to the financial mess many are in now
People went mad buying houses and cars they couldnt really afford, H2B contributed to this and houses prices were bonkers
Cheap credit and social media meant people felt entitled to a standard of living never seen before
They felt entitled to it even though it wasnt real, it was cheap credit
The bubble has burst

What has an ageing population got to do with a rise in welfare spending & fewer workers? Can you really not figure it out yourself 😆

And again not every single pensioners has contributed anything near enough to what they are taking out. I really don’t understand why you cannot grasp this? Or link to some evidence that they have then?

I cannot see where I haven’t been clear & would suggest it is you who struggling with the concepts.

Interested in this thread?

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Badbadbunny · 17/10/2026 19:24

SerendipityJane · 17/10/2026 17:03

We NEED to start making things again, using our natural resources again, etc.

Obviously the non dim bit that got left off is :

"That the rest of the world needs"

So let's put that together :

We NEED to start making things again, using our natural resources again that the rest of the world needs"

Back to you. Any ideas ?

A start would be making things and using things that our own country needs rather than importing them, and then start to think about exporting whatever is left. We need to stop the over-reliance on other countries which as we saw with Covid, the suez blockage and now the Iran and Ukraine wars makes us very vulnerable. Even if subsidies are needed, that can be offset against the huge amounts we're paying in benefits to keep people idle which we'd save if they were working.

1dayatatime · 17/10/2026 19:37

SerendipityJane · 17/10/2026 17:03

We NEED to start making things again, using our natural resources again, etc.

Obviously the non dim bit that got left off is :

"That the rest of the world needs"

So let's put that together :

We NEED to start making things again, using our natural resources again that the rest of the world needs"

Back to you. Any ideas ?

The reality though is that both labour costs and energy costs are significantly cheaper in India, Vietnam and China.

China for example still has a huge amount of coal fired power generation- which is highly polluting but does produce cheap electricity. And its not just lower wages- labour welfare and safety standards are way lower in China.

Now the UK could just slap on import tariffs on Chinese imports but this would increase inflation in the UK, but the upside is that it would create jobs.

Its a political choice.

Badbadbunny · 17/10/2026 19:59

1dayatatime · 17/10/2026 19:37

The reality though is that both labour costs and energy costs are significantly cheaper in India, Vietnam and China.

China for example still has a huge amount of coal fired power generation- which is highly polluting but does produce cheap electricity. And its not just lower wages- labour welfare and safety standards are way lower in China.

Now the UK could just slap on import tariffs on Chinese imports but this would increase inflation in the UK, but the upside is that it would create jobs.

Its a political choice.

If you knock off the benefits/social costs of our unemployment and benefit culture, we could subsidise UK manufacturing by similar amounts making things more comparable with Far Eastern imports. We've had too much short term thinking of just comparing cost of UK made against Far East made without taking into account the "hidden" costs of importing so much stuff, i.e. unemployment benefits, social costs arising from unemployment, i.e. drugs, anti social behaviour, poor health, etc.

RosaNovella · 17/10/2026 20:55

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 17:15

What has an ageing population got to do with a rise in welfare spending & fewer workers? Can you really not figure it out yourself 😆

And again not every single pensioners has contributed anything near enough to what they are taking out. I really don’t understand why you cannot grasp this? Or link to some evidence that they have then?

I cannot see where I haven’t been clear & would suggest it is you who struggling with the concepts.

You have again misunderstood my points about contribution
Contribution is financial, societal or provision of a role or services

So paying taxes either through employment or spending, societal via parenting, volunteering, caring and through employment and provision of a service or role

I didnt say pensioners have paid in enough to cover their aging needs but they have contributed to society in addition so its fair enough that they get pension provision
If they didnt get pensions they wouldnt be fit for work anyway so its a moot point
I agree that provision should be made for those in caring roles and those genuinely unable to work but we are seeing a gradual reversal where young capable people seek welfare provision
I know we have an increasing aging population, the vast majority pay for their old age care btw, I didnt suggest otherwise but what is your answer to this?
Pension age is already increasing, are we really suggesting that people can remain on benefits for decades ?

FalseSpring · 17/10/2026 21:16

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 10:25

@Boomer55did you miss the bit that 30% of families in the 70s & 80s lived in council housing? MIRAS? child benefit/family allowance? widows pension, ERS, etc

The idea that there wasn’t any benefits is absolute nonsense.

I think you are looking back through rose-tinted glasses!

Council houses were rented to the tenants, they weren't given them free. There were very limited circumstances in which discounts were given. Most tenants worked to pay their rent.

The background to the Tory sell off was the increasing cost of maintenance and the lack of general care for properties by the tenants, alongside rising crime levels on council estates. The rising costs were too expensive and it was thought that principle of 'the tragedy of the commons' was part of the problem. By giving tenants ownership the Tories hoped to improve the areas for everyone and intended to continue to build new council properties. Obviously that failed as the better tenants bought and the worst were left in poor conditions. The problem was that the Blair Government, that oversaw the largest sell-off, prevented local authorities from using the windfall to build more council houses.

In the 1970s the top rate of income tax was 83% on an income above £20,000 a year. National insurance was charged on top of that. Investment income was subject to taxes up to 98%. The 1970s suffered from what was known as the 'brain drain' as high-income earners moved abroad. The 1970s also saw the creation of the offshore tax havens as more and more people tried to find ways to escape the UKs horrendous taxes.

The Bank of England base rate hit 17% in 1979, the highest in UK history, as the government battled inflation above 20%. We complain about cost of living now, but inflation is nowhere near what is was in the 1970s.

The Bank Rate stayed in double figures for a long time before finally falling from 17% to 9.13% by 2 November 1982 before rising to 10% later that month making home ownership expensive. Many homeowners in this era saw their monthly payments double or triple with little warning. Variable rate mortgages were the norm, fixed-rate products barely existed. MIRAS relief offered a reduction of 25% (basic tax rate) on the interest so still left home owners paying much more in interest than they do now. Edited to say that MIRAS was a tax relief not a benefit.

Widow's pension were largely based on the deceased husband's contributions - it was necessary back then as very few women had made their own contributions. Also, there were a lot of war widows of pension age in the 1970s and I don't think anyone could begrudge them a pension!

The history of the benefits system is interesting. It has been through several major changes. The BBC History pages (now archived) includes this:

"Prior to WW2, when welfare was run by friendly societies and mutually owned organisations few questioned the fact that welfare affected how people behaved. Welfare was not simply strictly policed; the range of benefits fully recognised the danger that some people would claim benefit to which they were not entitled if the regime was slack. Welfare was seen not merely as a means of meeting a need, but by its organisation, and the means by its delivery, it was conceived as a tool for building good character.

The biblical view of human nature - its fallen status, yet conceived to be redeemed - was lost sight of in left-wing intellectual circles by the 1960s. Welfare was by them seen primarily as an act of altruism and this paternalistic view was advanced behind the cover of politically correct statements, so much so that even the Right lost the confidence to mouth, let alone act on, the broader, age-old understanding of mankind.

The resulting paralysis of both will and mind resulted in little concern for how different types of welfare (insurance or means-tested) affected behaviour; and to raise the question of fraud was to be automatically deemed politically unbalanced. 'Thinking the unthinkable' was the task for Labour's final years in opposition before 1997, and was part of the strategy of making Labour electable. It was never meant to be an activity undertaken in government."

TheCoolTiger · 17/10/2026 21:20

Katastrophyy · 16/10/2026 11:04

I think its disgusting we have a shortage of healthcare professionals yet require people to shell out 5 figures in retraining fees

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Even worse, it’s become very difficult in most areas of healthcare - especially nursing and paramedic science - to get a job as a newly qualified person. Most new graduates can’t find jobs when they finish uni. Despite a massive shortage! Funding freezes aren’t budging. And existing nurses etc then buckle under the strain.

I don’t think we have much hope of any ‘boom’ in our lifetime. We have created a culture of both dependency and entitlement (a millionaire friend of mine couldn’t wait to claim PIP for her daughter with ADHD recently) and like it or not, we have allowed in an immense number of immigrants - legal and illegal - who are very low-skilled and unlikely to ever contribute more than they cost.

Aside from that, Labour keep fucking things up in what seems like a concerted effort to quash any hope of growth. Raising NI on employers, increasing the minimum wage, esp for young people, instituting ‘workers’ rights’ on day one of employment - yes the latter two might seem great in theory, but as we can all see, it kills jobs. High earners are living the country in droves, taking their tax with them.

We should never have a chancellor who hasn’t run their own business at some point

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 21:20

So you are agreeing with me benefits & help did exist in the past

YouareJustApreciousLittleGem · 17/10/2026 21:25

Never. And this in the richest country in the world....get used to it

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 21:28

@RosaNovellaNo I haven’t misunderstood. Why does your contribution argument not apply to younger people who may not be working but are raising a family, volunteering etc. I just don’t agree they are all sitting on benches smoking weed all day although buying the drugs would be spending money which you are saying is a societal contribution…

My point about pensioners is if you want to reduce welfare spend you can’t ignore them from the conversation. I think the triple lock should go and care costs should be overhauled. I would also look at means testing the state pension as people can currently be on that benefit for decades. I’m not against other benefits being linked to how much one has paid in like in other European countries.

Yellowchair1 · 17/10/2026 21:30

Meadowfinch · 16/10/2026 09:20

This. In the end our wealth comes from labour, and we have worked fewer and fewer hours as a nation, for decades now. Periods of unemployment, more and more sick leave, more people not working at all. All paid for by companies or government. They all add up to fewer hours worked which results in lower earnings as a country, less investment.

The most affluent people I know are those who put in 50 or 60 hours a week or more, and they don't seem to even notice the CoL crisis.

Plus we have the subsidies from Covid furlough (£70 billion) and the fuel subsidies in winter 22/23 (£40 billion) which were all borrowed and have to be paid back.

It's going to take a generation of calm steady growth, and lower support for those who don't work, and that means everyone equally, the unemployed, the disabled, the retired. If we want to regain our relative affluence, we have a lot of work to do.

Do people work less now though?? My memories of childhood in the 80's and 90's are that women tended to work less. Now it's common to have two full time workers in a family. It is true we have far more retirees which is crippling for the economy. It's a deeply unpopular view but we do need to increase the retirement age and decrease pension - it's no longer affordable with people living so long

YouareJustApreciousLittleGem · 17/10/2026 21:34

1dayatatime · 16/10/2026 08:57

As @ExtraHotDoubleShot said it won't - a slow managed economic decline is the new normal.

The only way to halt it, is through policies and actions and a time frame that voters would never support.

In some future, wether distant or close, when the taxes cannot keep funding everything for everyone who does not work and earn their own living, wether you like it or not, there will be new collectivisation, basic income no matter what your job description is and radical goods redistribution or it will be never ending wars and revolutions

YouareJustApreciousLittleGem · 17/10/2026 21:38

frozendaisy · 16/10/2026 09:06

The previously established world is rapidly unravelling

We just have to adapt and get used to essentials costing more.

This is absolutely true. Mighty western Europe funded itself through the colonies, slavery and industrialisation - all 3 are thing of the past now. Learn some Chinese and Russian in my opinion

Yellowchair1 · 17/10/2026 21:40

JuliaAgrippina · 16/10/2026 11:48

As PP have said we've never recovered from 2008 crash and austerty - and since then had covid, brexit and now another oil shock (just like 70s) and poor harvest due to weather fluxes - that will be as this last summer was bad for growing food in many places.

We are also rapdily in Europe and other parts of the world- in UK maybe this year - reaching the Demographic Tipping Point - were deaths outnumber births - pre cross over you get is typically defined by high living costs, expensive housing, and intense career focus. The next bit is that as deaths outnumber births, the workforce shrinks while the pensioner population rapidly grows. This increasing dependency ratio strains public finances, healthcare systems, and pensions, which can slow down annual GDP growth. In many respects due to migration labour we aren't doing as badly as we could be.

We have additional issue in UK economy with high energy costs which hamper industry and hit already streched household budgets.

This! The demographics make it so difficult to drive the economy. So called 'lazy scroungers' have been made the scapegoat, but really the benefits Bill and rising NHS costs come from the fact that people are living longer and the birth rste has dropped.
Plus all tbe economic shocks mentioned

YouareJustApreciousLittleGem · 17/10/2026 21:47

Katastrophyy · 16/10/2026 10:50

Last night i went into Tesco and bought:
3 pizzas
1 big bottle of Oasis
1 packet of Pringles
1 bottle of wine
1 packet of peanuts

My "night in" with a friend cost me £30.

so this all massive food for you and just another adult.....well, this is why there is cost of living crisis....people consume like there is not a tomorrow....

YouareJustApreciousLittleGem · 17/10/2026 21:55

MyKhakiBalonz · 16/10/2026 11:36

You will own nothing and be happy

😆

RosaNovella · 17/10/2026 22:01

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 21:28

@RosaNovellaNo I haven’t misunderstood. Why does your contribution argument not apply to younger people who may not be working but are raising a family, volunteering etc. I just don’t agree they are all sitting on benches smoking weed all day although buying the drugs would be spending money which you are saying is a societal contribution…

My point about pensioners is if you want to reduce welfare spend you can’t ignore them from the conversation. I think the triple lock should go and care costs should be overhauled. I would also look at means testing the state pension as people can currently be on that benefit for decades. I’m not against other benefits being linked to how much one has paid in like in other European countries.

I included volunteering and raising children/ caring roles
As previously discussed means testing the state pension wont work, people arent going to work for 45 years to end up with the same as their neighbour who doesnt
It will continue to stifle aspiration and growth

FalseSpring · 17/10/2026 22:12

kiakoa · 17/10/2026 21:20

So you are agreeing with me benefits & help did exist in the past

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There have always been benefits of some sort (charity pre WW2 or Government based since WW2) to support the poorest in society. However over the years the benefit net has widened to include more and more individuals and increased from its low original baseline to provide a much higher standard of living to its current recipients.

When it was set up, National Insurance was designed to cover all benefits including state pension and pay a contribution to the NHS. Any surplus is held in the National Insurance Fund to allow for fluctuations from year to year.

In 2025/26 NI is expected to raise £205 bn against an expected benefits bill of £322 bn including £146 bn contribution based state pension. £145 bn goes on benefits paid to working age adults including child benefit.

There is a huge push for contribution-based state pensions paid to those who have worked all their lives to be cut, but we spend an equal amount on working age adults who should mainly be expected to pay for themselves! People need to stop blaming pensioners for the large welfare bill.

RosaNovella · 17/10/2026 22:20

FalseSpring · 17/10/2026 22:12

There have always been benefits of some sort (charity pre WW2 or Government based since WW2) to support the poorest in society. However over the years the benefit net has widened to include more and more individuals and increased from its low original baseline to provide a much higher standard of living to its current recipients.

When it was set up, National Insurance was designed to cover all benefits including state pension and pay a contribution to the NHS. Any surplus is held in the National Insurance Fund to allow for fluctuations from year to year.

In 2025/26 NI is expected to raise £205 bn against an expected benefits bill of £322 bn including £146 bn contribution based state pension. £145 bn goes on benefits paid to working age adults including child benefit.

There is a huge push for contribution-based state pensions paid to those who have worked all their lives to be cut, but we spend an equal amount on working age adults who should mainly be expected to pay for themselves! People need to stop blaming pensioners for the large welfare bill.

Hallelujah!
Common sense at last!

kiakoa · 18/10/2026 08:16

@FalseSpring you must have missed the part where I was replying to a poster who was claiming there wasn’t any help….

55% of the welfare bill goes on pensioners so it’s crazy to leave them out of the conversation.

Working age & children is 45% but as I have already mentioned by increasing the state pension age more people get pulled into the working age category vs the past. The 60–64 age cohort represents one of the most resource-intensive segments of the working-age welfare budget.

kiakoa · 18/10/2026 08:21

RosaNovella · 17/10/2026 22:01

I included volunteering and raising children/ caring roles
As previously discussed means testing the state pension wont work, people arent going to work for 45 years to end up with the same as their neighbour who doesnt
It will continue to stifle aspiration and growth

Why won’t it work? I save into a private pension despite others getting pension credit. I pay a mortgage despite others getting social housing/housing benefit. I stopped having dc after I felt I couldn’t afford anymore despite others having more & receiving benefits. I save for my dc to go to uni despite others having access to more help Younger generations are used to means testing.

kiakoa · 18/10/2026 08:22

Yellowchair1 · 17/10/2026 21:40

This! The demographics make it so difficult to drive the economy. So called 'lazy scroungers' have been made the scapegoat, but really the benefits Bill and rising NHS costs come from the fact that people are living longer and the birth rste has dropped.
Plus all tbe economic shocks mentioned

But apparently to ignore this is common sense 😆

FalseSpring · 18/10/2026 08:40

kiakoa · 18/10/2026 08:16

@FalseSpring you must have missed the part where I was replying to a poster who was claiming there wasn’t any help….

55% of the welfare bill goes on pensioners so it’s crazy to leave them out of the conversation.

Working age & children is 45% but as I have already mentioned by increasing the state pension age more people get pulled into the working age category vs the past. The 60–64 age cohort represents one of the most resource-intensive segments of the working-age welfare budget.

I agree your figures but would like to stress that 45% of the total is contribution-based payments(the same % as working age adults get), the other 10% (to total your 55%) goes on benefits to those that have not paid in sufficient - i.e. pension credit. Your post doesn't make that distinction clear.

I agree that the 60 - 67 age group take up a large portion of that budget and as expected, that has risen since the pension age was increased. This needs to be tackled through changes to the way benefits are provided for those that could potentially draw down on their private pensions to provide for themselves. Currently, means-tested benefits largely overlook an individuals undrawn pension pot. It is very wrong that benefit claimants can be sat on huge undrawn pensions, being advised by pension companies to claim benefits until they reach pension age.

However, I still don't agree with the premise that pensioners are the problem.

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