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Is my four-year-old behind with counting and recognising letters?

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Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 17:05

My 4 year old often misses numbers when counting to 10. He often says '11' instead of '7' and gets confused after 6. He'll often keep counting and just skip some numbers.

He can count objects up to 6.

He has a short one syllable name, like 'Ben', and can't usually put the letters in the right order. He also calls letters numbers. He sometimes recognises his name but usually doesn't. We might watch Alphablocks about the letter 's' and then look for it and make its sound and so on and he doesn't seem to recognise it or remember it. He has lots of other things that make us think he is neurodivergent. However, we are now wondering if he might be a bit delayed with this side of things.

We are noticing it in particular because this all seems to come naturally to our 2 year old who happily counts to 10 without missing numbers and is interested in letters and numbers. My 2 year old can recognise as many numbers as my 4 year old, maybe more.

At first we thought our 2 year old was a child genius (of course!) but now we've started slowly realising actually he may be on the more standard trajectory and it could sadly be that our 4 year old needs some extra help.

Can anyone shed any light? We have delayed 4 year old starting school due to his issues so no input from teachers etc.

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DancingonmyOwn88 · 05/10/2026 17:41

I wouldn’t call it being behind- I’d recognise that he needs some early intervention and support for possible dyslexia. The sooner the better. It might not be that! But he needs a bit of extra support with it at least. How is he with other sequences? Remembering words to nursery rhymes? How is his speech?

ToKittyornottoKitty · 05/10/2026 17:54

If you are worried it seems odd to delay his learning. Does he not at least attend nursery?

I wouldn’t worry about being behind so much at this age but I would want opinions from nursery staff or teachers etc

DancingonmyOwn88 · 05/10/2026 18:08

I agree that delaying his learning seems counter-productive unless there are other issues at bay, which you’d presumably already have raised.

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Policeontheplane · 05/10/2026 18:13

Is he in reception yet? Has he been to nursery? What do they say?

Bigtrapeze · 05/10/2026 18:13

Is your 4 year old in Reception yet? I don't think you should worry. These are also not the things you need to be ready for school as they will be taught all of that.

How is their language? Can they follow 2 step instructions, take off their own coat and shoes, use the toilet independently? How do they play with others? These are the things that are important now. Keep counting by all means (we always counted stairs/steps out loud when we walked up any), read to them and talk to them whenever possible. But please don't worry.

DancingonmyOwn88 · 05/10/2026 18:31

Bigtrapeze · 05/10/2026 18:13

Is your 4 year old in Reception yet? I don't think you should worry. These are also not the things you need to be ready for school as they will be taught all of that.

How is their language? Can they follow 2 step instructions, take off their own coat and shoes, use the toilet independently? How do they play with others? These are the things that are important now. Keep counting by all means (we always counted stairs/steps out loud when we walked up any), read to them and talk to them whenever possible. But please don't worry.

Actually recognising at least the letters of their own name is something that children are widely encouraged to be able to do by the time they start school as part of the EYFS.

They are not expected to be able to read obviously as they are indeed taught all of that. But recognising their own name written down or at least some letters from it is a very solid foundation for a child beginning reception. This would be taught at nursery as they know this, and pre-school children would be encouraged to start writing it also, with varying degrees of success.

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 18:33

DancingonmyOwn88 · 05/10/2026 17:41

I wouldn’t call it being behind- I’d recognise that he needs some early intervention and support for possible dyslexia. The sooner the better. It might not be that! But he needs a bit of extra support with it at least. How is he with other sequences? Remembering words to nursery rhymes? How is his speech?

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I don't think he can recite any nursery rhymes I can think of. Bits of 'humpy dumpy' but he doesn't really sing songs. He sings bit of songs but I've never heard him sing a whole verse or anything.

I would say his speech is quite unclear. For example if we have friends or family over they need us to interpret some of what he says. Some of it is perfectly clear but he still misses out letters. He says 'boppum' for 'bottom' and 'cubumber' and 'lellow' and 'aloon' for balloon and 'afore' for before. Nursery haven't mentioned anything about this and I did say I thought his friends had much clearer speech but they weren't worried. He does attend a couple of the send groups at nursery but not for speech.

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Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 18:36

DancingonmyOwn88 · 05/10/2026 18:08

I agree that delaying his learning seems counter-productive unless there are other issues at bay, which you’d presumably already have raised.

Yes other issues and that coupled with being the youngest in the class we felt would be a total disaster! We thought about it long and hard and have made the decision so it's done now and he's at pre-school and home with me for another year. He's really not ready for school yet so we're hoping this year will help.

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modgepodge · 05/10/2026 18:36

I think your 4 year old does sound a bit behind if he’s in reception but if you’ve delayed until next year probably dont worry, most of what you’ve mentioned is reception level stuff. Your 2 year old is a bit ahead - most aren’t counting to 10 and recognising numbers.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 05/10/2026 18:38

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 18:36

Yes other issues and that coupled with being the youngest in the class we felt would be a total disaster! We thought about it long and hard and have made the decision so it's done now and he's at pre-school and home with me for another year. He's really not ready for school yet so we're hoping this year will help.

What do pre school think about his spelling, speech etc?

DancingonmyOwn88 · 05/10/2026 18:39

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 18:36

Yes other issues and that coupled with being the youngest in the class we felt would be a total disaster! We thought about it long and hard and have made the decision so it's done now and he's at pre-school and home with me for another year. He's really not ready for school yet so we're hoping this year will help.

Totally sounds like the right choice for now. Mispronunciation isn’t uncommon at his age ether and this usually fades out as they get older, but I’m surprised nursery haven’t raised any issues as it does sound like he needs a bit of help with his speech.

titchy · 05/10/2026 18:39

Assume you’ve had his hearing checked recently?

Overthebow · 05/10/2026 18:39

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 18:36

Yes other issues and that coupled with being the youngest in the class we felt would be a total disaster! We thought about it long and hard and have made the decision so it's done now and he's at pre-school and home with me for another year. He's really not ready for school yet so we're hoping this year will help.

Have you discussed this with pre school? As he’s got another year it would be good to get some support out in place for him if he needs it. He does sound a bit behind if he’s supposed to be reception age, usually children can at least count up to 20 and recognise some letters and their name before starting school, but he’s got a year until he starts now so time to catch up.

DancingonmyOwn88 · 05/10/2026 18:42

modgepodge · 05/10/2026 18:36

I think your 4 year old does sound a bit behind if he’s in reception but if you’ve delayed until next year probably dont worry, most of what you’ve mentioned is reception level stuff. Your 2 year old is a bit ahead - most aren’t counting to 10 and recognising numbers.

I think lots of two year olds can say numbers in order as it depends on their ability to remember and repeat a sequence- some are far better at this than others- but they may not actually be counting in a literal sense.

SauvignonBlancLady · 05/10/2026 18:47

I wouldn’t worry too much. My 4yo picks her nose, farts and laughs and mostly doesn’t listen to me. Her hearing is fine however as she heard her biggest brother call his mate a dick head and she likes to repeat that.

She didn’t speak until she was 3, and she also misses numbers and mispronounces words, I’m AUDHD so I imagine she probably is as well (my boys are) but I’m not hugely worried, she starts school next year so they’ll pick up if they think there’s an issue (pre school havent made any comments)

Bitzee · 05/10/2026 18:53

He sounds a lot like DD was at age, and she is dyslexic, but equally it does overlap with some non uncommon preschooler traits i.e. there’s a reason why they don’t generally diagnose dyslexia before age 7. Not to mention he hasn’t started school yet so hasn’t had any formal teaching. Honestly there’s no point worrying about it now, just focus on the stuff he needs to be school ready, the key reading and writing one being able to recognise his own name so doesn’t lose his jumper, can find his peg etc.

Overthebow · 05/10/2026 19:31

modgepodge · 05/10/2026 18:36

I think your 4 year old does sound a bit behind if he’s in reception but if you’ve delayed until next year probably dont worry, most of what you’ve mentioned is reception level stuff. Your 2 year old is a bit ahead - most aren’t counting to 10 and recognising numbers.

it’s pretty normal for 2 year olds to count to ten. My 2 year old dd does and recognises some letters, and my dd did too at that age, she’s fairly average.

modgepodge · 05/10/2026 20:19

Overthebow · 05/10/2026 19:31

it’s pretty normal for 2 year olds to count to ten. My 2 year old dd does and recognises some letters, and my dd did too at that age, she’s fairly average.

Yes, some 2 year olds can do it, but that doesn’t mean it’s what’s expected. My daughter could also do it and now age 7 has a special interest in prime numbers, which again is unusual for her age. She’s always been greater depth in maths. My son is currently 2 and says ‘1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 12’ and things like that, which if you look at development matters (EYFS curriculum) is more typical. it specifically mentions children up to 3 may say the order of numbers wrong, and only mentions reciting numbers past 5 for 3-4 year olds. Recognising the numerals is also listed as a skill for 3-4 year olds to be developing (and listed again for reception age).

BertieBotts · 05/10/2026 20:27

Can you afford private speech therapy? NHS referrals are so delayed and it's really worth getting that kind of help ASAP. If not a possibility, then at least get onto the waiting list. Stress the school readiness aspect to GP if you need to convince them to refer. If you happen to have a lot of money to throw at things then OT is also worth considering, because they look at the whole development of the child and see which things aren't quite developing on time and do exercises designed to support that. If that would be a stretch, look at the book "Raising an in-Sync Child". There are checklists right at the back with "typical" development so you can see which bits your child might need help with, and then you can go back and read the bits where it suggests activities. It's probably best to get it in paperback rather than kindle and use some sticky notes to mark the relevant pages. All of the activities are fun and just feel like games, my DC are always asking to do "Bubble challenges".

And in general throw as much of the following, totally free things at him as you can manage.

Outdoor, "big" (gross motor) play (climbing, running, bike/scooter/etc)
Being read to - stories, rhymes, picture books, songs, factual books, interactive books, absolutely anything. Don't worry about whether it's appropriate for his age, as long as he's interested just keep reading.
Play with other children, in smaller groups or 1-1 if he struggles with larger groups. If he needs close adult supervision to manage these interactions, keep them shorter and stay close by, but don't avoid them.
Real, meaningful "work" ie chores or other helping around the house (e.g. help to carry shopping, learning how to perform "adult" tasks like looking for items from a shopping list, or putting on a load of laundry.

He sounds fairly similar to DS2 at that age, he is now 8 and diagnosed with ADHD. We suspect ASD but he wouldn't cooperate with the assessment, and suspect dyslexia but they won't assess for that until next year where we are. He does attend mainstream school and can just about cope with it with medication. He can be challenging, I won't lie, but the main adjective I would use to describe him is quirky. (I think he is brilliant, but I am biased of course!) I think long term he will be fine if we can navigate him through childhood and adolescence.

Several of the issues you mention sound related to difficulty with sequencing and planning to me. Something which helps us with this is using things like a visual schedule or prompt card, where steps are represented using images and they can see which order they are meant to happen in. If it is overwhelming or confusing to see all of the steps at once, then being able to cover them and reveal one by one, or swap them out using something like blu-tac or velcro can work well as well.

We are abroad and the school system is different to the UK. I think UK school system may have been kinder to him in some respects, our one seems to expect mad independence from children who are only about six, but the vvvv early start on phonics would have been no good at all. He only just started to develop phonemic awareness (which is the thing they need to work out before they can learn to blend - breaking words into pieces so recognising things like rhymes and starting sounds) about a week after his 7th birthday, which was luckily about 3 weeks before he started school. Delaying the school start was absolutely, 100% the best thing for him. I thought he'd struggle with learning to read but he took to it like a duck to water. I think if he'd been expected to start that at 4 or 5, it would have been a totally different story. So his writing/reading is very poor for an 8yo in the UK, but it's passable for a child in the 2nd year of school where we are. (I am not worried about this - my eldest also went through this system and can read/write perfectly fine despite it being on a later timescale than UK schools.)

YY agree 2yo sounds ahead (not unusually so, typical for a bright child) and this is probably making the difference seem even more stark. What can be tricky with even typically developing 4yos is that most of the time they are very good at memorising long chunks, so they can often recite the alphabet in order, or numbers up to 20+ but they don't always understand the relation of numbers to amounts, ie how to count. Being able to count up to 6 is good, and I suspect that you are able to see this separately because his difficulty in recalling the order of digits outside the context of counting means that he isn't "masking" a lack of counting ability (not sure if I am explaining this well).

I get the sense that for DS2 he is just utterly uninterested in learning anything that doesn't have context for him. For about 6 months before he started school he amassed a vocabulary of around 40-50 sight-words he could read simply because he had memorised the first and last letter and the rough length of the word (most of these were tram stop names) - of course that meant he frequently mistook other similar words for the one he wanted, but it also meant that he was really excited about learning to read and because the phonemic bit came into place just at the right time, it all clicked for him. But then you try to teach him something which doesn't have context and it's almost painful for him to stay focused - he will be almost incapable of preventing himself from slithering to the floor and making animal noises, or using every square inch of his workbook to draw a complicated diagram or something instead.

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 20:51

titchy · 05/10/2026 18:39

Assume you’ve had his hearing checked recently?

No, should we? His hearing seems fine.

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HumphreyCobblers · 05/10/2026 21:01

Hearing and eye test always a good starting point. Just to make sure everything is ok.

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 21:22

Bitzee · 05/10/2026 18:53

He sounds a lot like DD was at age, and she is dyslexic, but equally it does overlap with some non uncommon preschooler traits i.e. there’s a reason why they don’t generally diagnose dyslexia before age 7. Not to mention he hasn’t started school yet so hasn’t had any formal teaching. Honestly there’s no point worrying about it now, just focus on the stuff he needs to be school ready, the key reading and writing one being able to recognise his own name so doesn’t lose his jumper, can find his peg etc.

That's interesting that they are similar. We suspect he has adhd but my dh suggested yesterday that maybe he could have dyslexia. I have cousins with it but not in my immediate family. What signs did you notice with your daughter?
How is she getting on now?
I'm hoping that now he has another year until school then he will be able to fit in with the class and not fall behind. He's very advanced in some ways and behind in others. He can't stay still or stop talking long enough to take information in so it's hard to work out if the problem is his lack of focus, retention or understanding.

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Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 21:30

Not sure if relevant but he sometimes still gets colours confused too. This week he pointed to carrots and said they were green. Green and orange took him ages to get right. He learned his colours fairly reliably around 3.5 years old. Again, comparing him to ds2 this was very late as ds2 knows colours now at 2.3 years old, even ones like grey.

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titchy · 05/10/2026 21:32

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 20:51

No, should we? His hearing seems fine.

Glue ear is common and would explain the poor speech and lack of singing or rhyming. So yes - it’s a pretty basic check tbh.

titchy · 05/10/2026 21:33

Givemepickles · 05/10/2026 21:30

Not sure if relevant but he sometimes still gets colours confused too. This week he pointed to carrots and said they were green. Green and orange took him ages to get right. He learned his colours fairly reliably around 3.5 years old. Again, comparing him to ds2 this was very late as ds2 knows colours now at 2.3 years old, even ones like grey.

Colour blindness?