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School telling us to remove nut trees from community orchard

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Calling · 18/09/2026 19:15

We are in a local voluntary group and local people planted an orchard in the grounds of a school, for the school.

Now, the school has written to say that we have to remove the nut trees because one pupil has a bad nut allergy.

There are fruit and nut trees, that the local people planted some years ago and we have put a lot of work into weeding and watering. The yield was actually for the kids and we are volunteering with the school with and nature sessions outside.

Before anyone says we are potential child killers, we do understand the importance of safety. There is a management plan in place, but the school has been asked by a parent to remove our trees.
I do feel disheartened - nobody in the school said no to nut trees originally.

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Sam1000 · 20/09/2026 21:41

Planting nut trees in school grounds is madness. There are a million other trees.

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 21:50

notanothermother · 20/09/2026 21:00

With Benedict’s law now in place, schools are becoming a lot more vigilant and have to cross a lot more boxes to be safe. Our school is nut and peanut free. It has been for the 15+ years I’ve known and been involved in it. Just so happens my youngest who has just started school there is anaphylactic to peanuts. There is a fine line that I walk in keeping my son safe and looking like a demanding over the top mother. It’s hard. When I debate if people should or shouldn’t eat peanuts on planes or in their lunchboxes in school. To me it’s quite simple. There are endless other foods that people can eat in their own leisure time. In school time or on a plane when a hospital isn’t reachable, then people should be able to not eat nuts/peanuts for that very small part of their day. I’ve been at a local park sitting on a bench having a picnic with my son and a lady and her daughter join us, open their picnics and a Tupperware of peanuts comes out. Touching the table we are eating at, dropping them over the floor etc. we got up and left. I didn’t moan. Didn’t complain. Because it was a public space and her right to eat peanuts was no more than my right to keep him safe. But schools have a duty of care they have to enforce (rightfully so). Just because said allergy kids is allergic and won’t go near the nuts or pick them up. Doesn’t mean other kids won’t, and then touch him. A few trees just are not worth the risk on a child’s life. Is it sad? Yeah I guess so. But ultimately it’s always better to be safe than sorry. 100s of children running around at play time all who could potentially pick up that nut then touch the allergy child. The teachers noticing him having a reaction among said potential 100s of children and acting quickly. I’m still nervous when my son eats at school incase parents aren’t adhering to the no nut policy and my school is doing everything they can to keep him safe. I would also be scared if the thing that kills my son is was just there on the school grounds. Look at it this way - if you had unknowingly planted a highly poisonous plant. And if a child touches it, it could kill them. You would 100% without hesitation get rid of it. You wasn’t at fault for playing it because you didn’t know. But you would definitely get rid of it. Why just because it only has the potential to kill one child does it make it ok to keep the tree? Even if you told the kids that that tree is poisonous don’t touch it. You wouldn’t chance it. Just incase. He may be the first child with a nut allergy but he won’t be the last.

Would you support the school going dairy free for the same reason? It’s only a few hours in the day and people can manage? After all Benedict’s law came about as he died from anaphylaxis to milk.

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 21:57

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 21:18

Overall there are more child deaths from nut allergies. Dairy comes out on top in the stats for children because anaphylactic deaths due to nuts are separated into three groups — peanuts, tree nuts, unknown nuts. That said, dairy is a real danger especially for younger children, I’m not trying to downplay that.

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That’s not true. In the UK more children die from anaphylaxis due to milk than those that die from anaphylaxis to tree nut and peanuts combined. Death due to anaphylaxis has reduced by half for all allergens over the last 10 years except dairy. 2 children have died in school in recent years due to anaphylaxis to milk, no child has died from anaphylaxis to tree nuts or peanuts in school in recent years.

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Notstoppingforredlights · 20/09/2026 21:58

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 21:18

Overall there are more child deaths from nut allergies. Dairy comes out on top in the stats for children because anaphylactic deaths due to nuts are separated into three groups — peanuts, tree nuts, unknown nuts. That said, dairy is a real danger especially for younger children, I’m not trying to downplay that.

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Because peanuts aren’t nuts. What about banning all legumes?

pollymere · 20/09/2026 22:00

Been thinking that by the time the school do the necessary risk assessments to remove the trees and secure the funding to do so, the kid probably won't be there anymore ...

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 22:13

pollymere · 20/09/2026 22:00

Been thinking that by the time the school do the necessary risk assessments to remove the trees and secure the funding to do so, the kid probably won't be there anymore ...

That made me laugh out loud because it couldn’t be more true! We’ve been waiting 3 years for my daughters school to identify 2 staff members to be trained on administering her life saving hydrocortisone injection and the endocrine nurse at Alder Hey literally offered to train them via teams for free! But they can’t make a decision on who is being trained so her safety plan is - call parents, call paramedics and whoever gets there first gives the injection. We’re lucky my partner works from home 10 minutes away to be fair.

amoobaa · 20/09/2026 22:42

Ooohaaahjustalittlebit · 20/09/2026 17:41

I'm surprised you work in a PICU and yet don't know enough about allergies to realise that children can have life threatening reactions to many foods.

I would love to have seen milk and eggs banned from my children's school so I didn't have to worry every day. But I knew I couldn't ask for it.

The problem is a nut ban reinforces the idea that other allergies are benign. I have lost count of the times someone has said "at least it's not nuts" to me. My son has had life threatening anaphylaxis several times from exposure to cows milk and we still have people saying dumb stuff like that. And in his lovely "nut free" school the teachers act like products with milk in are harmless. He's had teachers dishing chocolate out in class without even thinking.

You’ve lost me.

If there’s one thing I realise, it’s that children can have life threatening reactions to many foods. What gives you the impression I don’t know that?

I don’t have all the answers. I’ll keep looking, keep learning, and will challenge anyone who doesn’t take a person’s allergies seriously.

My experience is that dairy allergies are often not taken as seriously as other allergies. I think your experiences highlight a terrifying problem. I’m genuinely horrified that your kid’s teachers were dishing out chocolate when your child has a known dairy allergy. Unbelievably stressful.

I’ve also seen nut allergies be more readily understood/ taken seriously. But that doesn’t translate into ‘therefore nut allergies should be taken less seriously too’. It’s not a race to the bottom.

Still unsure what your post was meant to communicate. I agree with what you’ve said. You’re preaching to the converted.

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 22:42

Ooohaaahjustalittlebit · 20/09/2026 21:33

Would you be happy if school banned all dairy products from lunches and snacks?

Personally I wouldn’t mind, my kids don’t eat dairy at lunch time anyway. Overall I think if there’s an allergic child present it’s a good idea to ban these foods when children are young and at the messy eating, playing on top of one another, coughing and sneezing into another’s face stage. For older children I don’t think bans are the way to go, rather instead education around allergies, care with handwashing etc.

Obviously from a practical pov it’s much harder to ban milk from nurseries and childcare facilities where lots of babies and very young children need milk. That is always going to be a huge issue. Banning nuts is a lot easier in those facilities.

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 22:55

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 21:57

That’s not true. In the UK more children die from anaphylaxis due to milk than those that die from anaphylaxis to tree nut and peanuts combined. Death due to anaphylaxis has reduced by half for all allergens over the last 10 years except dairy. 2 children have died in school in recent years due to anaphylaxis to milk, no child has died from anaphylaxis to tree nuts or peanuts in school in recent years.

It is true.

Cows milk allergies are the most common single cause over that time period because nuts are divided into three categories as I said.

The figure from the BMJ article that was referred to is shown below.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n251

You’re right that deaths from dairy in children are increasing, it’s worrying. Perhaps dairy would be the highest if it were looked at today, I don’t know, but anyway that’s not what the BMJ article showed a few years back.

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Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 23:01

Notstoppingforredlights · 20/09/2026 21:58

Because peanuts aren’t nuts. What about banning all legumes?

You really think nut bans don’t include peanuts?

To the general public, ‘nuts’ are peanuts and tree-nuts combined. Nobody goes around saying tree-nuts unless they know about allergies.

ETA If you click on the image in the post above you’ll be able to see the full image.

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 23:11

Another figure from the BMJ article @TastingTheRainbow.

School telling us to remove nut trees from community orchard
amoobaa · 20/09/2026 23:11

CaptainMyCaptain · 20/09/2026 18:27

Your very long post is completely missing the point. The OP and the elderly volunteers are not responsible for this. It is a matter for the school.

My very long post is making points of its own. Not everyone thinks exactly the same as you nor prioritises the same points.

I never claimed the school wasn’t responsible. I never said elderly volunteers should do anything specific. It’s the principle of the matter that needs to be agreed upon first and then the way things are subsequently actioned is the next thing to be decided.

I mostly took offence at the ridiculous assertion that the parents should be told to ‘fuck off’. How is that helpful? It’s just plain fucking rude. It solves nothing and highlights a massive lack of empathy.

I can think of very few thing we need more of in this world right now, than empathy.

We can’t all agree with everybody/ fully understand everybody else’s unique circumstances. But we can all try to be a little less self absorbed.

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 23:18

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 22:55

It is true.

Cows milk allergies are the most common single cause over that time period because nuts are divided into three categories as I said.

The figure from the BMJ article that was referred to is shown below.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n251

You’re right that deaths from dairy in children are increasing, it’s worrying. Perhaps dairy would be the highest if it were looked at today, I don’t know, but anyway that’s not what the BMJ article showed a few years back.

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Yes that’s almost 9 years old, as all deaths due to anaphylaxis have roughly halved for all food allergens except dairy it’s a higher in modern times, in children anyway. In adults it’s a different story as many children outgrow CMPA allergies.

I also find the group of ‘unidentified nut’ very strange for a medical study, if it not a tree nut what is it? As peanuts are in fact not nuts I fail to understand why you would have a category of unidentified nut when all nuts unidentified or not are in fact a tree nut.

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 23:25

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 23:11

Another figure from the BMJ article @TastingTheRainbow.

From the research study you linked to, even back in 1992 they were seeing CMPA deaths increase while nut deaths reduced, year on year, and we are now over 30 years on.

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Laurmolonlabe · 20/09/2026 23:26

I think the parent needs to calm down a bit- you can't expect the environment to be stripped of allergens- there would be no plants left. All the parent has to do is ensure the child knows not to go into the garden, and that all the teachers also know.

pinkksugarmouse · 20/09/2026 23:37

amoobaa · 20/09/2026 17:33

I’m glad you managed to read it all Jane.

“Are you having a bad day?” is such a lazy way of avoiding the substance of what someone has said. Rather than engage with a single point I made about a vulnerable child with a serious medical condition, you’ve reframed my argument as me being emotional and therefore not worth listening to.

And “what a lecture” just means I bothered to explain my reasoning 😂

If you disagree with something I actually said, disagree with it. I’m not perfect. I could probably come up with some arguments against my own post if I wanted to play devil’s advocate. I feel passionately about people being arseholes. Shoot me.

But trying to reduce a reasoned argument to a person being in a bad mood is both transparent and incredibly patronising.

I’m having a lovely evening with my family. Been volunteering all day (I agree it can be a thankless task sometimes, but we still do it, and nobody is completely altruistic, we all have our reasons) and later I’ll be getting ready to work on an acute psychiatric ward for the week.

If you want to learn about genuinely bad days, come work a couple of shifts in an understaffed NHS PICU with me.

Someone else’s ignorance doesn’t tend to translate quickly into a bad day for me.

It is incredibly irritating though.

I get the impression you don't cope well under pressure. Giving your reasons for your opinions doesn't require a dissertation. If anything your points need to clear and not unneccessarily long.

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 23:46

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 23:18

Yes that’s almost 9 years old, as all deaths due to anaphylaxis have roughly halved for all food allergens except dairy it’s a higher in modern times, in children anyway. In adults it’s a different story as many children outgrow CMPA allergies.

I also find the group of ‘unidentified nut’ very strange for a medical study, if it not a tree nut what is it? As peanuts are in fact not nuts I fail to understand why you would have a category of unidentified nut when all nuts unidentified or not are in fact a tree nut.

I haven’t seen any stats published for the period post 2018. Can’t be sure it’s higher now without the figures, though it may be of course.

Unidentified nut means either a tree nut or a peanut, but they’re not sure which.

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 23:51

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 23:46

I haven’t seen any stats published for the period post 2018. Can’t be sure it’s higher now without the figures, though it may be of course.

Unidentified nut means either a tree nut or a peanut, but they’re not sure which.

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I do not believe for one second a medical professional would state unidentified nut if they don’t know if it was a tree nut or a peanut (not a nut), that would be unknown.

Here are some more recent comments on anaphylaxis and the rates. The only uk study I can find focused on infants but the articles are based on the, not public accessible childhood mortality stats.

School telling us to remove nut trees from community orchard
School telling us to remove nut trees from community orchard
School telling us to remove nut trees from community orchard
amoobaa · 20/09/2026 23:55

pinkksugarmouse · 20/09/2026 23:37

I get the impression you don't cope well under pressure. Giving your reasons for your opinions doesn't require a dissertation. If anything your points need to clear and not unneccessarily long.

That’s quite an extraordinary psychological assessment to make of a complete stranger based on… the length of a Mumsnet post 😂

I mostly stay calm and steady under pressure, which helps a great deal in my line of work, but you couldn’t possibly know that, any more than I could know how you cope under pressure.

If my post was too long for you, fair enough. Don’t read it. But “you wrote more than I wanted to read, therefore you don’t cope well under pressure” is a bit much.

If you disagree with any of the actual points I made, though, I’m all ears.

Mangoripples · 20/09/2026 23:56

Laurmolonlabe · 20/09/2026 23:26

I think the parent needs to calm down a bit- you can't expect the environment to be stripped of allergens- there would be no plants left. All the parent has to do is ensure the child knows not to go into the garden, and that all the teachers also know.

You don’t have to add in allergens either!

There is no need for these trees to be nut trees.

Even if the risk is fairly low, there is absolutely no benefit to having them there rather than a different kind of tree, so a simple risk/benefit analysis would indicate it’s better they be removed.

Why should a child need to stay out of a school garden for no good reason?
Why is growing a hazelnut tree there more important?

Laurmolonlabe · 21/09/2026 00:07

So that the hundreds of other children at the school can enjoy it, hazelnut is a native and a very natural tree to have in an orchard. Risk is a natural part of every life, the risk is incredibly low as long as the child is sensible- which will be necessary for them if they have a serious nut allergy.
You are also not taking into consideration the time care and love which has gone into creating this orchard, life should not be reduced to a risk/benefit analysis for one individual amongst hundreds.

Mangoripples · 21/09/2026 00:16

TastingTheRainbow · 20/09/2026 23:51

I do not believe for one second a medical professional would state unidentified nut if they don’t know if it was a tree nut or a peanut (not a nut), that would be unknown.

Here are some more recent comments on anaphylaxis and the rates. The only uk study I can find focused on infants but the articles are based on the, not public accessible childhood mortality stats.

Two of your images refer to the BMJ paper so again to 1998 - 2018 figures. The other, I think, refers to allergy triggers and not to anaphylactic deaths, so it’s not really looking at the same thing. Eggs, for example, trigger lots of reactions but don’t seem to have high rates of fatalities thankfully.

I do not believe for one second a medical professional would state unidentified nut if they don’t know if it was a tree nut or a peanut (not a nut), that would be unknown.
Unfortunately you believe wrong.
When they know it was some kind of nut/peanut it will be classified as unidentified nut rather than unknown.

Mangoripples · 21/09/2026 00:28

Laurmolonlabe · 21/09/2026 00:07

So that the hundreds of other children at the school can enjoy it, hazelnut is a native and a very natural tree to have in an orchard. Risk is a natural part of every life, the risk is incredibly low as long as the child is sensible- which will be necessary for them if they have a serious nut allergy.
You are also not taking into consideration the time care and love which has gone into creating this orchard, life should not be reduced to a risk/benefit analysis for one individual amongst hundreds.

Really? Plant an apple tree or something else so the children won’t miss out 😁
I appreciate the time and care and I think the school should sort this out not the volunteers. It’s a pity all right, but better to be safe than sorry in a school environment especially.
I believe one child is important enough to make this change necessary.

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CruCru · 21/09/2026 07:25

Calling · 18/09/2026 19:25

The trees have to be removed by us volunteers, I can't see the school doing that or paying anyone.

I have to ensure that the trees survive and find responsible people to transport them and replant them!

It falls to me to organise it but I feel so disheartened.

You see, this makes me think that the person who has told OP this doesn’t know very much about gardening or trees.

If the trees are five years old, the roots will be properly established. If the trees being removed are to survive (they won’t survive), whoever does this will need to dig a pit about as deep and wide as the height of the tree. This is going to look terrible - like meteors have left giant craters in the orchard - and may damage the remaining trees (depending on how deep they are planted). The people at the school will be appalled (and cross) because they imagine that it will be okay to dig down half a metre or so.

Then, when other homes are found for the trees, a pit the same sort of size has to be dug to plant them. Most of them will die regardless, mature trees don’t like being moved.

As the school don’t want to spend money on this, I would suggest that they get a man with a chainsaw to cut down all the nut trees. Eventually the stumps will rot and the remaining trees will fill that space. But probably not while the current cohort of children is at the school.